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Topic: Security
Posted By: headfry
Subject: Security
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 2:21pm
Hi,  What can be done in the way of security when you are not using your boat. ie in the club dinghy park?





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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 2:30pm

well it depends on what your sailing club is like, ours is down a lane with locked gates on it etc. but some are like right on the road.

Do you have metal eyelets to tie the boats down to incase it gets too windy. Well a frien of mine parks his boat over that and then passes a chain down the centerplate case and padlocks it on. The chain goes over a bit of board then back down, this means that you cant move the boat with out unpadlocking it first.



Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 3:03pm

You can take foils & sails home, take the bung out of the back and put it inside a halyard bag (to stop people from 'borrowing' it).

Extreme options are to insert a large metal pole into the ground and chain your boat trailer to it, chaining combi trailers together or even wheel clamps.

Most sailing club compounds are reasonbly secure and don't attract too many many major problems, other than smaller things being 'borrowed' and not being put back (like bungs, tiller extensions, foils etc).

Certain boats are more problematic than others - Lasers for example are small, light and easier to steal (they can be carried, put inside a van/on a roof rack) than other types of boat.



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Posted By: C. Petrie
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 3:15pm
My sailing club was fine untill last year when soemone thought they would nick my c/board and rudder incl. tiller and extention. All the other lasers had things nicked as well, which made it worse but at least that way you know it was no-one from within the club, just someone stealing for profit... not sure if that makes it better mind!! but realistically, there isnt much you can do other than take it all home with you...


Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 3:37pm
chaning your boat is always good. had a chain behind  the forestay, on the trolley and then on a tree. worked very well. you must look after your sails where ever you put them. was parking the boat on a trailer in munich in the middle of the city and even there somebody could need a good regatta sail.


Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 6:19pm

yeah never leave sailing gear in boat, it doesnt do it any good for one thing.

The boat I mentioned was a laser. we tend to have a problem with vandalism as they cant take the boat past two locked gates, they obviously wernt sailoirs as they tried to sink our dory by chopping holes in the botton of it......



Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 6:34pm
beig in an unsecure dinghy park is not handy i was refused full comp inosurance cause it wasnt secure enough.  all we have is a chain that we could padlock the finghy on if we wanted and a 1foot high fence

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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 6:58pm
Hulls aren't so much a problem as the little things like foils and sails.  Of course if your bung goes you can bet your life its one of your fellow members.  I run a light chain through anything I leave in the boat and padlock it to the mast.  Like all security issues its not totally secure but it makes it such a pain the theives will go somewhere else.


Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 07 Mar 05 at 7:03pm
Yeah that is a pain, That is one of the good thinga about the LeaValley locking their premises at night.


Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 9:14am
Thanks for all your help,

I am a little ahead of myself at the moment as am only in the process of looking at boats, but I do need to know what I must budget for in the way of security devices.

My club seems to be quite secure, though I want to try and do the best I can to make my boat safe and secure. I think some of my worries are just the fact that I am always locking and alarming things at home and  just 'leaving' my  boat is hard to imagine.  chains and padlocks will be bought..... what about wheel clamps??

cheers folks,



Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 12:07pm

>what about wheel clamps??

I'd say wheel clamps are only applicable for trailer sailor yachts/keelboats that are stored in towing mode and/or boats that only do circuit events and are therefore always on their road trailer with the mast down and packed ready for trailing.

It's a simple matter of risk - a boat that is packed ready to tow is going to be easier to steal because someone with a towbar can simply hitch it up and be away with it pretty easily.

A rigged dinghy is much harder to steal.

The simple answer is just to make sure you have insurance (be sure to read the small print though, because some policies do state that foils etc are not to be kept in the boat and others explicitly state the boat must be tethered to the ground in some way).



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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 12:13pm
Yeah that was what I was gona say about weel clamps, they are only realy applicaple to circuit boats or if you keep a road trailor anywhere, for example we keep our road triler in the drive at home and the boat at club. we have to keep a clamp on the trailer in the drive. But you def dont need one at club, if the boat is rigged.


Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 1:02pm
yer most the boats at my club dont have raod trailers.  so not much has been stolen.

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Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 5:18pm
nothing has been stolen at our dinghy pakr either and yet the insurance company still refuse me full comp

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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 5:55pm
I keep my boat at home on my drive/ garage.

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Posted By: hydrographer20
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 6:45pm
but if u keep it at ghome u have the pain of trailing it everytime

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 6:54pm

yeah must admit currently we have the boat in the garage all the time, but thats cause its such nice wood finnish so cant leave it out in winter. Oh act thinkin bout it we have 2 boats here at the moment.

We also keep the rib on the drive as it doesnt cost, we used to keep it in storage barn thing, but better this way. It jsut depends on what u are doing with the boat, if you do loads of circuit events at home wouldnt be too bad but only club events the club would be a better option.



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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 7:03pm
I chain the combi to the tie down wire and also make sure all shackles etc are connected under the cover, which I hope reduces the chance they're borrowed.

I also remove everything that's portable. We have a locked gate at the end of the lane but the general public has access to walk their dogs etc.

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 7:11pm
lol yeah sounds exactly like ours. but it is one very long lane so people dont tend to get down there much.

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 09 Mar 05 at 12:04am
Chaining the boats isn't just a security measure against theft. Last June, the main chain running in the compound had snapped and we had 3 or 4 boats taking off in a force 9 gale! It's always a good ida to park your boat facing the prevailing winds, it avoids nasty suprises after a storm...  

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 6:09pm
yeah def a good idea, luckily we have quite a sheltered dinghy park.

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 9:47pm
same here most of our dinghy park has trees round it.  .  i heard of somone that had there bung taken and only realised that it was missing when the boat started handleing like a tanker and had water coming over the side of the boat!!  very funny to whatch but he was s###in himself

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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 7:29pm
I know loads of people whove left there bung out, (ie me). At least it's a good excuse for poor speed!

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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 7:31pm
the bung is one of the items that frequently gets 'borrowed' from lasers at our club, i always remember to take mine out when not sailing 

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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 5:24pm

at our club security is not an issue as we have a locked barrier at the end of the lane and a locked compound which stretches all the way round the lake.

When wwe do opens we put a hitchlock on our trailer to stop it being stolen, Never leave your sails, foils, compasses ect. in your boat because even if they are covered by your insurance you'll still have to pay the excess



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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 8:13pm
yer at our club we have a big gate but it doesnt stop other people in the club borowing your bung!!!

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Posted By: Jon Langford
Date Posted: 17 Mar 05 at 9:34am

You are right to be concerned about theft from your boat, it is something that we as insurers, see all too frequently.

Have a look at the article I wrote for the Y&Y website earlier this year http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=16152 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=16152  

Also keep an eye on http://www.stolenboats.org.uk - http://www.stolenboats.org.uk .  Making life difficult for the theives, by working together in this way, has got to be a good thing!

 



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Posted By: B4lamb
Date Posted: 19 Mar 17 at 12:21am
I had this concern re security of my laser so I made a T bar plate from stainless that goes though the centre board casing and just comes out the bottom on the hull. I then have a chain and padlock to a secure ground fixing that connects to the bottom of the T bar. The ground fixing is basically a large concrete block in the ground with a steel ring that I can pass the hefty chain through. It also secures the launching trolley and road trailer if it's on the combo. It works a treat and also stops the boat being blown over in a storm.

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