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Topic: So what do I do now?
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: So what do I do now?
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 5:10pm
Off the water for a month anyway after stupidly getting conned into a cataract operation mid summer., but my EPS has a knackered centreboard and I can't be asked to make another big heavy thing out of ply and can't get a spare. I don't want to ruin the Solution on the beach getting small stones stuck in the CB case and anyway I'm kind of fed up with hiking on the quite long course we now have off Hythe because we set these fixed marks at the corners and they are the easiest to use but you get the occasional mile long beat which is a hiking ballache and boring.

I want to Trapeze, got the offer of a Vortex, but concernend it'll just go down the mine constantly on our water, haven't got time to build anything, fancy a Contender but the rig is too big for my 67 kilos and 5'6" height, I was thinking of having one last hiking bash on a an Aero 7 but it's probably going to get mullered on handicap by the Lasers, (quite a few of them now so have even been thinking if you can't beat them maybe...)

It's time for a sea change, but the girl just can't make up her mind, any bright ideas?

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 5:19pm
There must be any number of custom foil builders who could make you a light foil for the EPS. Not cheap, but very doable. But if you want to change boats anyway perhaps not worth it.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 5:59pm
It's probably a bit big for me if I'm honest, OK if it's light I can sail it to it's handicap, but if not even with the racks I can't seem to make it go upwind much better than a stock Laser, I've given it at least five years now, I think that's enough and time to move on, I know you really want it, so I tell you what you can have it for 700, what do you think?

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 6:52pm
> What do I think?

I'm sure its a fine boat for someone to sail, but that someone isn't me.


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 7:47pm
That's bad luck, always fancied one, watched their nationals at Whitefriars a couple of years ago, I have just this weekend taken possession of a modernised 1979 Mirror, never sailed one, came second in first race, really pleased how it handled, out pointed a Topper Magno on every beat


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 9:13pm
Weren't you thinking of a Farr for moments like this?

Otherwise, the baby rigged Blaze.

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 9:33pm
I was for a bit, but I'm not convinced it'll even beat the Lasers over the water, never mind on handicap, it's a bit short, I very nearly bought one around the time of the dinghy show.

There aren't many of those Fire rigs around yet, not seen any results to speak of, no idea if it's even got a handicap rating, or what it is, and they are bloody heavy hauling them up the beach.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Jun 17 at 10:20pm
When I had a look at eps, I thought this boat would have worked even better if wings at back had overlapped giving you somewhere to sit in a drifter or when running.


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 10:29am
iGRF - you need to talk to Myles who sails from the IOW to Lymington to race. Unfortunately he had a major health scare at the end of last year / this. Is doing much better now. But I'm not sure if he is back sailing his boat competitively yet. But until then he was sailing his Farr 3.7 and fairly consistently far exceeding your expectations of the Farr 3.7. Obsessing about the length is a bit daft. Take one for a test sail. Here are some of Myles results - https://www.ltsc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016_Early_Points.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.ltsc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016_Early_Points.htm You will see he is 9th out a fleet of 57 boats in the Medium fleet

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 12:43pm
I'd demo one tomorrow, if I didn't have to risk nosebleeds or falling off the edge of the planet to find one to demo.

And has nobody told you length is everything? ;-)


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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by 423zero

When I had a look at eps, I thought this boat would have worked even better if wings at back had overlapped giving you somewhere to sit in a drifter or when running.


Nice idea , but practically not good, for a start it's one of those low volume quite straight rockered boats that need all the weight up front to keep the noise down at the back. As it is the Mainsheet block is to far back in my view, when it's light you tack ahead of it and pfaff about passing the sheet around it.

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by iGRF

I'd demo one tomorrow, if I didn't have to risk nosebleeds or falling off the edge of the planet to find one to demo.

And has nobody told you length is everything? ;-) 


iGRF if you'd just asked we can arrange a demo no problem. No nosebleed, no long haul flight.


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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by JimC

There must be any number of custom foil builders who could make you a light foil for the EPS. Not cheap, but very doable. But if you want to change boats anyway perhaps not worth it.

missing an opportunity to sell the canoe here Jim.... I'm not sure how easy they'd be to launch off a lee shore mind.


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 5:11pm
I'm curious, why are you even considering the PY of a new boat; a system you roundly refute?

I'm surprised that at your age and experience that you don't simply get the boat you fancy.

BTW. not advice heaven forbid, but Laser Radial a much nicer rig than the full and good fun in waves.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by Do Different

I'm curious, why are you even considering the PY of a new boat; a system you roundly refute?

Because it is the only means we have to calculate results, like it or hate it and against the constantly moving playing field which is my mates in their Lasers, the race for beers becomes ever more difficult each year.

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 26 Jun 17 at 9:31pm
... erm get a Laser then, prove them wrong on the water ... given the light winds of late, you'd be a bandit in a full
Rig and switch to a radial if it's got white caps out there


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 9:19am
There's a trapezing version of the Laser then?


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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 2:28pm
OK GRF
Buy a RS600, which are cheap at the moment, due to your weight have a new semi soft sail designed for the smaller rig (remove extra lower section of the mast). Have wing covers made with bouyancy inserts like the moths use.
Having the alloy wings also means you can tip it over on the beach rather than leave it collecting stones in the dagger board slot.
Very under rated boat, but still quick, tapeze, carbon mast whats not to like.
good luck
Gordon

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by iGRF

There's a trapezing version of the Laser then?


we live in a world of compromise.... if trapezing it top of your wish list, and thus a red line in the boat choice, then Jack has already stated the best possible recommendation for a craft for lightweights.  I'd have loved to have sailed one if I'd known about them at 16!!!

If quality of racing is top of the list, and the locals race lasers, then I'm afraid you need to suck it up and get a Laser.

FWIW - I'm having similar dilemmas right now, but I've got a bit longer to think about it as I'm not buying anything until I know my kids are settled in their new school in the autumn.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 6:08pm
Buy another Blaze, at least the Mk3s are all down to weight and a 15% lighter than a Contender, you said yourself that selling yours was at worst boat decision you ever made....... 

Otherwise I think Gordon has struck the nail squarely on the head.....

I'd like a soft sail for "dolly the sheep" (which I haven't sailed yet, tomorrow hopefully) but I suspect my club and especially the other Supernova helms might be a little less tolerant than yours if I rocked up with a shiny new custom made 'out-of-class' sail.


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Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 27 Jun 17 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by iGRF

There's a trapezing version of the Laser then?

If you're feeling experimental try putting a TOY sliding seat on a laser. 




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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 10:02am
So, I've been offered a Vortex on FB, if I get it will I die?

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 10:12am
of frustration.... yes.  



Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 4:16pm
I dunno, I reckon that massive kite will be a giggle, but if it doesn't have one i think TT is spot on

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 5:09pm
Why not turn your Sprint into the boat you want???


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 9:05pm
Aren't they inclined to nose dive? Are they sticky slow in light and with your waves you not being heavy enough to hold it up, both sideways & fore n aft when it gets interesting? I guess the kite helps though.    


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 10:13am
Well that's what always put me off them until now, the thought of the lee hull induced endo. Didn't know they were sticky in light weather although that could be the sail it's a bit naff.

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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 11:44pm
Mate of mine had one. He's about 65-70kg... said it was sh*t below a force 4. He's an optimistic bugger, always smiling type. Definitely not a grade 1 boat snob, so given that, it must be REALLY sh*t for folks like us with less tolerance.


Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 8:42am
...get a two-handed boat and a crew to do all the hiking for you!


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by Oinks

...get a two-handed boat and a crew to do all the hiking for you!

I wish... just sold the nicest boat I ever owned due to lack of crew.

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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 11:06pm
just get yourself  a Farr 3.7.

and dont get your knickers in a twist about it being made of wood. Resin comes from oil which comes from wood and other dead plants. 


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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 10 Jul 17 at 8:52am
Originally posted by fab100

just get yourself  a Farr 3.7.
and dont get your knickers in a twist about it being made of wood. Resin comes from oil which comes from wood and other dead plants. 


Or ask for it to be made of plastic... butler boats make good GRP mirrors and miracles I believe



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