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Topic: Quba, Pico or something else ?
Posted By: Cliffisen
Subject: Quba, Pico or something else ?
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 9:31am

Greetings all

Iím just loving the sea and I dive, kayak and Iím involved with the scouts (seafaring ones).
My daughter is currently sailing Optimist and loving it, and I do mean loving it. She takes every opportunities she gets.
I donít have much experience with dinghies, we sail larger boats but I want to get closer and more personal with the water, if that makes any sense.

Either way, before I get ahead of myself I need to focus on this post.

Iím looking for something to sail myself. I been looking at Europe (abet low for my sake), Laser (too hard for me currently).

Lately I have been looking at Laser Pico and RS Quba. They look like small dinghies that is large enough for me to sail and grow in. Iím also hoping that they will be able to handle that my daughter is with me when we just want to cruise around along the coast.

Iím a large man, 95kg (177cm) and going down another 5 or 10 kg if that is significant.

Is there anyone that have experience with these dinghies and can share it with me?
Itís not possible to try out the Quba, there isnít many here. Iíll need to buy a new one and have it sent here Cry. 2-hand Picos are scares but there is at least some.

Pico, Quba or something entirely different?




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Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 12:21pm
You'll be wanting to try one of these:
http://fusionsailboats.co.uk
Bang up to date with the intent to move the game forward in the sector that you are considering.
Nb I have to declare an interest I drew it.
Get in touch with the guys they are very responsive in providing demo sails.
Cheers
Dan


Posted By: Cliffisen
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 1:49pm
Never heard of Fusion before.
Im not sure whats the main difference between Fusion and Pico/Quba is thou.

Thank you for the tip!


Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 2:03pm
It is a boat to fulfil the same requirements as pico and qba, I.e rotormoukd boat for individuals and institutions.
Happy with anything from one kid on their own two kids to a kid and an adult.
Plenty of cross over performance to grow into.
A lot of effort in the ergonomics functionality, styling, durability and sailing experience.
Think a y&y magazine test has happened so will be imminent.
Would advise that you demo all options.
Cheers
Dan


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 7:55pm
The Fusion is a little bigger, I'd say, but no secondhand ones yet, I'd think, as new this year. A little more funky, too as design nods to the Devoti D1, also by Dan.

Pico is an older design than the Q'ba, but I'm worried you find both too small. Give a Pico a go (many dinghy hire places have them) and if you fit that, you'll fit a Q'ba too.



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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Leader, Topper 44496, yellow Minisail


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 8:36pm
Price very reasonable, how does it compare sizewise to a Topaz ?


Posted By: Cliffisen
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 8:56pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Pico is an older design than the Q'ba, but I'm worried you find both too small. Give a Pico a go (many dinghy hire places have them) and if you fit that, you'll fit a Q'ba too.

Here is one problem, i cant really try it out before. I wish i could but im not driving 4 hours one way to try it. I know its a bad idea but worst case is that my 11 year old will use it with her friends :)

Im looking at a Pico right now and its half the price of the Quba (2-hand vs brand new). 

When ppl are saying that i might find Pico to small, if you compare the Pico with Laser, or a Europe dinghy, is there much of a difference in size ?


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 9:15pm
Similar size to a Europe, but a very different boat. Not much knee room and a smaller sail. Don't get me wrong, the Pico is a great play boat, and in a bit of breeze you'll have a lot of fun, but you knees may ache after! Your daughter and friends will have a ball.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Leader, Topper 44496, yellow Minisail


Posted By: Cliffisen
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Similar size to a Europe, but a very different boat. Not much knee room and a smaller sail. Don't get me wrong, the Pico is a great play boat, and in a bit of breeze you'll have a lot of fun, but you knees may ache after! Your daughter and friends will have a ball.

This might just be a stupid question late at night :)
But why do i want to be on my knees ?
Or is that cuz im an adult that its not possible to sit on the side ?


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 10:39pm
You can sit on side if wind strong enough, but in a drifter (light wind) you will be inside boat on your knees.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 10:42pm
Or when going down wind in most conditions you need to balance the boat, and there is nowhere to sit, so you need to kneel.

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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Leader, Topper 44496, yellow Minisail


Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 23 May 17 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by Cliffisen


Originally posted by Rupert

Similar size to a Europe, but a very different boat. Not much knee room and a smaller sail. Don't get me wrong, the Pico is a great play boat, and in a bit of breeze you'll have a lot of fun, but you knees may ache after! Your daughter and friends will have a ball.

This might just be a stupid question late at night :)But why do i want to be on my knees ?
Or is that cuz im an adult that its not possible to sit on the side ?


Pico cockpit drains straight thru, so is only 21cm or so deep. For adults when sitting in the boat the ergonomics are not great ie your knees are around your ears. Either that or kneeling, so less comfortable and mobile.
Not sure about qba cockpit depth. Fusion cockpit is self baled and is from memory about 26 or 27cm deep.
So most adults can sit in the boat with feet under them or in front of them comfortably.
Think fusion very similar box dims to pico I think just a touch wider.
If going for a used boat (if no fusions around!) then pico would be the one I'd chose.
Quite a revolutionary thing back in 96 or so when launched.


Posted By: Cliffisen
Date Posted: 24 May 17 at 7:06am

I really appreciate all the help and tips from you all.

Looks like Iím going to invest in some kneepads as well haha :P
Well well, I think ill get some fun out of it and my daughter will have a blast as someone said before.

If I really get into this and love it, Iíll look into getting something for myself later on, but for now I think this will suffice. I can always change the sail to match my skill level if I see the need.

 

I just did a quick search for kneepads (donít laugh haha) and holy moly there are lots and lots of fun little trinkets, clothes and what evers to buy. This is just like divingÖ I need discipline not to buy too much haha.



Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 24 May 17 at 7:32am
One thing to be aware of with the Pico.  There is an issue with spares especially rudders.  The hull was changed between the Mark 1 and Mark 3 and it isn't possible to use a new rudder on an old hull.  You can't even change the rudder bits too, because the gap in the hull that they bolt into is too small / too large depending on whether its a Mark1/2/3.


Posted By: Cliffisen
Date Posted: 24 May 17 at 7:34am
Originally posted by sargesail

One thing to be aware of with the Pico.  There is an issue with spares especially rudders.  The hull was changed between the Mark 1 and Mark 3 and it isn't possible to use a new rudder on an old hull.  You can't even change the rudder bits too, because the gap in the hull that they bolt into is too small / too large depending on whether its a Mark1/2/3.


Oh snap.
Ill have too look into that!

Thank you for that information.


Posted By: bicrider
Date Posted: 24 May 17 at 10:24am
I bought a Pico for my kids, But I do sail it in the winter race series at my club. I am 1.9m tall and 100 kg in weight. The biggest problem I have when sailing it is when beating (gong towards the wind) is that to get the boat balanced I have to sit really far forward that I am in front of the mainsheet block this make tacking a bit of a pain. But if I am not racing it is not a real problem and I also have the race sail which is a bit bigger and makes a real difference to the boat. The other downside to the Pico is if your putting it of a car roof it will need 2 adults its heavy I would make sure it has a road trailer if you are going to be by yourself. Other than that we have had our Pico 3 years and find it very confident building. But you may out grow it quickly have you thought about a smaller rigged Laser like a radial or 4.7 ?

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Dart 18 5054 "Willy Flipit"
Finn K333
Yellow (faded) Pico "Willy Tipit"


Posted By: Cliffisen
Date Posted: 24 May 17 at 11:36am
Originally posted by bicrider

[...] But you may out grow it quickly have you thought about a smaller rigged Laser like a radial or 4.7 ?


I have, but since my daughter is only 11 years old. It will be a long while before she can use the Laser 4.7. Im thinking that the step from Optimist to Laser would be a big one.


Iíll keep an eye out for a 2-handed that doesnít cost an arm and a leg thou :P

I might just end up with getting more than one dinghy in the end haha

 


Posted By: about a boat
Date Posted: 24 May 17 at 1:49pm
Have you thought about a Mirror?


Posted By: Cliffisen
Date Posted: 24 May 17 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by about a boat

Have you thought about a Mirror?


I have seen it and No Smile


Posted By: Craigderby
Date Posted: 09 Jun 17 at 4:19pm
If you're looking at a 2 man, then a Laser 2 could be worth a look.  I sail ours with my 9 year old daughter, and if I'm feeling energetic I can sail it on my own,



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