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"Protest" call when out of range

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Topic: "Protest" call when out of range
Posted By: Eisvogel
Subject: "Protest" call when out of range
Date Posted: 18 May 17 at 9:47am
Scenario: a club pursuit race on a reservoir, with little to no wind. Boats sailing/drifting to the start-line (after the warning signal). Some (but not all) boats get towed to the start-line to get there in time for their class start. Violation of rule 41 (outside assistance).

Question: in order to protest, one would have to hail "protest" while on the water, and follow up with a written protest at the end of the race. If I am too far away, what do I do? Do I shout "protest" at the top of my voice across the pond? It's easy if the offending boat is right next to you, but what happens if it isn't?

Enterprise 20361 (Eisvogel), Laser 102727 (Halcyon)

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 May 17 at 10:07am
Anyone planning to protest under RRS41 in those circumstances at a club racing level should take a long hard look at themselves. It would be more appropriate for the RC to look at the fairness of competition if any boats missed their start.

However the rule is clear enough: "if the other boat is beyond hailing distance, the protesting boat need not hail but she shall inform the other boat at the first reasonable opportunity".

Posted By: Eisvogel
Date Posted: 18 May 17 at 10:17am
OK, thanks, that answers my question!

And yes, some of the other boats missed their starts, because there was too little wind to get to the start line on time.

As for the long hard look -- it's more a case of going through a protest to see how it works, and to practice the procedure in an amicable and non-combative environment. It was a good learning process for everybody involved. There was actually not a protest against the other boats (which would not have been possible due to not calling out "protest" at the time anyway), but a call for redress.

Enterprise 20361 (Eisvogel), Laser 102727 (Halcyon)

Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 18 May 17 at 11:09am
I think a long hard look at why the heck you'd go racing if there wasn't enough wind to reach the start line

RS300, ex Musto Skiff

Posted By: Brass
Date Posted: 18 May 17 at 11:13am
Interestingly, Australian Sailing has resolved an issue around this problem with the following prescription to rule 26

Yachting Australia prescribes that when handicap starts apply a boats preparatory signal is deemed made four minutes before the boats starting time.

Posted By: Eisvogel
Date Posted: 18 May 17 at 11:21am
Originally posted by Neptune

I think a long hard look at why the heck you'd go racing if there wasn't enough wind to reach the start line

There was no wind between the launching area and the start line. On the rest of the water there was enough wind to do a (short) race.

Enterprise 20361 (Eisvogel), Laser 102727 (Halcyon)

Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 18 May 17 at 1:38pm
In the UK summer you'd only race once a month if you demanded luxuries like wind Evil Smile

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