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Topic: Hadron H2
Posted By: guesswho
Subject: Hadron H2
Date Posted: 06 Feb 16 at 12:06pm
Here is a new development for you all to consider. Visit the Callaghan design Facebook page and look at the pictures / video of the launch of Keith Callaghan and Simon Hipkins H2. The pictures speak for themselves. I am sure Keith and Simon would welcome your comments.



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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 06 Feb 16 at 6:52pm
Link for non facebook users ?


Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 06 Feb 16 at 7:12pm
https://www.facebook.com/CallaghanYachtDesign/


Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 06 Feb 16 at 7:18pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqOodLTg5M&feature=share


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 06 Feb 16 at 7:55pm
Thumbs Up


Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 07 Feb 16 at 9:49am
Tempted

D0 with freeboard meets Merlin Rocket, and a high boom.

Wonder how comfortable it will be in the light stuff?


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Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 07 Feb 16 at 10:24am
I would have thought far more comfortable than most other singlehanders. You've got a thwart and that nice curved tunnel as well, plus the deeper section of cockpit.

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Posted By: Big-C
Date Posted: 07 Feb 16 at 6:05pm
Looks great, been wondering what to replace my Harrier with, any one know what sort price it will be?

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Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 08 Feb 16 at 9:20am
Price is yet to be fixed, but somewhere in the region of the price of a Phantom or Blaze. However, there will be some very aggressive discounts for first takers. Availability from Spring 2016.


Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 08 Feb 16 at 11:36am
carbon spars?
hull construction?
foils?

Sorry if all this is on FB, I can't sneak a peek at that during work hours (but IT don't block Y&Y!!)


Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 08 Feb 16 at 12:41pm
Carbon spars: YES (Super Spars).
Hull construction: Carbon/aramid/Corecell foam/epoxy composite. No glass except a little as 'filler' in the hull/deck join..
Foils: Carbon, designed and manufactured in-house.


Posted By: Aching Knees
Date Posted: 08 Feb 16 at 1:29pm
I was hoping it was going to be at Alton on Sunday.



Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 08 Feb 16 at 2:39pm
Sorry to disappoint you, Aching Knees. Coming soon!



Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 09 Feb 16 at 1:38pm
A 'first impressions' review of the H2 by yachting journalist David Henshall is now available at http://www.bluelightning.co.uk/h2/H2_launch_DH.shtm


Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 09 Feb 16 at 1:41pm
Also have a look at the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqOodLTg5M


Posted By: porkyman
Date Posted: 12 Feb 16 at 6:09pm
this looks very interesting, with no obvious direct competitor, ie, high freeboard, sensible boom height, centerboard, non assy, no wings or trapeze, `sit in` not `sit on`, powerful rig, and it looks very cool
I hope it does well

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Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 12 Feb 16 at 6:15pm
I think I'm going to visit the show *just* to look at the Hadron.. Tho' it will only make me want it's little brother... one aimed at lighter sailors... I'm only 65 kilos!


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 12 Feb 16 at 6:42pm
Pop onto the Lightning stand and say Hi while you are there!

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 12 Feb 16 at 7:23pm
Then get your cheque book out and order a Solution. ;-)

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Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 12 Feb 16 at 10:01pm
Very good, Porkyman. You have summed up the H2 in one succinct sentence.


Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 12 Feb 16 at 11:51pm
I'm right behind you, Keith... love the look of the H2... as Porky said, a sensible boat for us older gentlemen..  I sincerely hope it catches on...

Just make a smaller one, H3 perhaps, for those of us who haven't eaten so many pies....



Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 13 Feb 16 at 8:38am
Nutter, H3 is already in gestation, but may not take the form you indicate.
Chris Gould (28 years old and weighing in at 67kg), managed the H2 very capably last week in quite strong winds.


Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 13 Feb 16 at 9:06am
Will be interesting how the optimum weight works out, the light hull and comparatively wide beam may not put all of the emphasis on pork power

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Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 13 Feb 16 at 8:18pm
Keith... I was hoping the H3 would be N12 like, with a bit more form stability, and 75 odd square feet of sail.. But with all the design innovations of the H2...

I've got 22 years on Chris Gould.. I can't hike like I used to!


Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 13 Feb 16 at 11:23pm
Nutter, I have 20 years on you and I weigh 80kg. I will be sailing my H2 this year (if I live that long!).


Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 13 Feb 16 at 11:39pm
Genetics says I'll be 65kg until the day I die.... Not my fault, but it puts me out of  the weight range of too many boats....


Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by realnutter

Genetics says I'll be 65kg until the day I die.... Not my fault, but it puts me out of  the weight range of too many boats....



At that weight I'd have thought you probably have more choice than most.It's the bigger guys 85kg and over who have a limited choice.

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 6:26pm
I'm over weight at 70 kilos, and agree there are loads of boats for us to choose from, but the lack of leverage means they are either quite slow or really hard to sail. I'm happy with slow, mostly.

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Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 6:27pm

There seems to be reasonable choice at 65 kg .....  Solution, Europe, Streaker, B.Moth, Lightning etc for a start ... even a Radial at a pinch inland.

And my own bias (of course)  ..... A Blaze with the 'Fire' rig on it.  Well you need a decent amount of leverage and they really have their moments as well.  Fine in the light stuff if you are the right weight and a flyer in the medium and strong wind stuff.


The ones below are at Burghfield - come along and have a look / go.




Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 7:02pm
You missed Minisail off your list Cirrus Big smile

I'd love to come and try a Blaze... I'm in Reading but sail at Reading Sailing Club...


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 9:01pm
The boats you list are the ones I was thinking of, which compared to the longer, larger boats heavy people can sail are slow. The Fire may well be an exception, but not everyone likes wings sticking so far out the side to provide righting moment. Still rather more user friendly than he Int Moth, though.

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Posted By: Jeepers
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 10:05pm
Are there any other clubs apart from burfield where you can race against Fires. Opens? Nationals? Dare I say it, Worlds?


Posted By: Jeepers
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 10:12pm
To answer my own question. No. Just Cirrus sailboats hijacking a thread to promote its own interests. The thread is about Hadron H2.


Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 14 Feb 16 at 11:39pm
Jeepers ....

I'm sure the questioner can make up their own mind .... they did pose the question after all as to what was available.    As is already rather well known my commercial interests in this arena are coming to an end and I wish Hartley Boats very well for the future.

 But in the interests of addressing your own current queries - 1) Yes (it would be hard to keep 30+ boats are Burghfield without being found out)    2) Yes .... and 3) No ! (well not yet)

Is there anything that offends your sensibilities in a 'regular punter' making the odd contribution
here or are permissions required ?

.... and just  for the record I also rather like the look of Hadron myself already having sailed at Brighlingsea on a couple of occasions when testing was underway ... they are produced in the same factory where all Blazes etc have been produced in recent years so difficult to not know a bit more than most about it at this stage than most ...  Wink   


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 8:21am
Nope, just saw it as Cirrus answering a question. Of course, Zero and Aero sailors could also have jumped in and pointed out that their boats also do the job and are faster than the traditional ones.

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Posted By: Jeepers
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 9:22am
OK, fair points. I shall gracefully back off


Posted By: guesswho
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 9:54am
Gentlemen gentlemen, I have no commercial interest in the Hadron H2, however I do own Hadron 21 as displayed at 2014 RYA Dinghy Show and on Keith's website. I have sailed and owned any number of single and doublehanders in my 60+ years and I can honestly say if Keith hadn't designed the Hadron in the first instance and Simon hadn't built it for me, I was going to give up sailing. My boat is of epoxied wood construction with carbon spars and is quite one of the nicest most comfortable dinghies I have sailed. I can whole heartedly recommend this dinghy to all as given a little thought with the rig controls it can be powered up and down to suit a wide range of weights and sizes. I am looking forward to seeing H2 at the Dinghy Show though.Clap


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 10:22am
The pertinent question that needs asking, is what size is the sail, boats themselves by and large don't determine the size of the helm, it's the rig and more importantly wether the damn thing can be sufficiently depowered.

My logic was always, it didn't really matter, because most of the dinghy things I had observed was that if it's that windy they don't race anyway. Now of late that has proven not to be true, even found myself breaking every rule I set 20 years ago now about not going out in sub 10 degrees in wind exceeding 10 knots for fear of getting those infernal hot hurts that agonise those of us that have to hold the sail up by the boom when racing. But I'm now lucky enough to have a boat with a rig that does depower sufficient that I can get round in fair order in a biting cold nasty squally race, and that's what I now look for in a boat.

That and of course it truly being capable of my hauling it into and out of the water and if it's anything like yesterday with almost the entire boat park underwater in slippy slimy mud, just getting enough traction to haul it around. These are the real world problems, it's one thing handling the bloody things on the water, but hauling their nasty arses around boat parks and up slipways and that was what ruled that H2 out for me when i first set eyes on it, nice enough that it might be in other departments, it looked like a big old monster rig and it was most certainly a monster of a boat for one person to haul about.

Having said all that there are plenty of bigger younger and stronger blokes about, I'd say it will make a good chariot for the disaffected Phantomeer, until such times as the b**tards on the PYAG take a dislike to it.

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Posted By: guesswho
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 10:55am
Dear me iGRF, My dinghy park seems like yours, wet ,grassy and muddy, the Hadron and H2 are both light boats and I can move mine around in the said boat park with ease. That was also one of my criteria, ease of onshore handling. Single handers by my definition shouldn't need a team to move them around off water. The sail on mine is near 10sq. m. the H2 is slightly smaller, but by  use of sail controls can be de powered and the carbon mast deflects nicely to allow the same. The video shot by Keith on You tube showing H2's first sail shows its handling ease. The H2 could be sailed competitively in a biting nasty cold squally race, particularly with the helm wearing adequate kit. I can honestly say H2 is not a monster boat or has a monster rig. That again was another of Keiths aims to keep weight down to make the boat usable by as many as possible. Looks can be and are deceiving.Smile


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 11:14am
It used to be possible to embed a you tube video, but I can't remember exactly the code.. Any way here's that video of the launch, big fat head sail puts me off it has to be said but other than that, it looks a super boat.

[TUBE]JdqOodLTg5M[/TUBE]

So that big gap is where the video should be, try cllcking the blue link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqOodLTg5M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqOodLTg5M

Edit, got it sorted..


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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 3:14pm
Hi Keith
Its amazing how slow boats look upwind when sailing on there own like this it makes it very difficult to work out how she is actually going.
Hopefully over the summer you will get the boat out to a few events for people to judge on the water.
Good luck with the boat.
Gordon Phantom 1430

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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by iGRF

 ...it's one thing handling the bloody things on the water, but hauling their nasty arses around boat parks and up slipways...

It seems to me that the thing that would most change your sailing life is nothing to do with the boat or rig but a waterproof, motorised trolley with fat wheels that do not sink into mud, sand or shingle. Add an 'auto' button to drive itself back up the beach after launching and you'd be sorted.

Surely there is now some bike-tech you could adapt - did someone not get caught hiding a motor in a road-race bike recently?


 



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Posted By: Keith_Callaghan
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 5:43pm
IGRF, the 'big fat head' is there for a purpose, not just to look sexy. Jim Hunt (HD Sails) has designed the sail to provide 'gust response' - so that the leech eases off in a gust, thus depowering the rig. The amount can be adjusted via kicker and Cunningham. With sail no 1, it seemed to work a treat.


Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 5:51pm
Nice big powerful cunningham required :)
Looks good


Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 6:03pm
Originally posted by AlexM

Nice big powerful cunningham required :)
Looks good

I think you'd need a lot less cunningham than me Al



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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by Keith_Callaghan

IGRF, the 'big fat head' is there for a purpose, not just to look sexy. Jim Hunt (HD Sails) has designed the sail to provide 'gust response' - so that the leech eases off in a gust, thus depowering the rig. The amount can be adjusted via kicker and Cunningham. With sail no 1, it seemed to work a treat.

Yes, I get that and they are useful for the sort of target venue with trees and stuff around for light airs and most normal weight folk will handle them I'm sure.

But, personally I'm off the whole idea, once they depower all you have is acres of parasitic drag, when you need them to power up you need a kicker array that would power a yacht, and I guess I'm just 'over' the whole look, it's just a personal viewpoint not being critical per se, we've had' fatter' head sails since the dawn of time in my world and it's only now as my progress down the years in this lark is revealing new downsides to having so much area up there, that my viewpoint has altered.

And anyway, what's to stop you chucking up a smaller rag and calling it H3, or H Fire, H Bomb even, it's all the rage these days, then give it a slow handicap and go round the country robbing us mortals of our chocolates..

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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 6:20pm
Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

 ...it's one thing handling the bloody things on the water, but hauling their nasty arses around boat parks and up slipways...
It seems to me that the thing that would most change your sailing life is nothing to do with the boat or rig but a waterproof, motorised trolley with fat wheels that do not sink into mud, sand or shingle. Add an 'auto' button to drive itself back up the beach after launching and you'd be sorted.
Surely there is now some bike-tech you could adapt - did someone not get caught hiding a motor in a road-race bike recently?
 


What would change my life would be a boat lackey, they're normally called crew, but when they go and crock their backs as well, you're in trouble. Yes somebody did recently get caught with an electric assist crank, battery hidden in the down tube, engine in the crank, roadie of course, where else do you get cheats?

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Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by AlexM

Nice big powerful cunningham required :)
Looks good

I think you'd need a lot less cunningham than me Al




Posted By: realnutter
Date Posted: 15 Feb 16 at 10:14pm
iGRF.. If that "big fat head" worries you..........

Get a Sunfish!

LOL


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