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Andymac
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Topic: Finish line, Direction from last mark definition Posted: 15 Apr 12 at 7:42am |
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Jim, I just love these mischevous situations however contrived, because they fully test the integrity of the rules (and definitions). I agree with you that under the definition of finishing, the boat will have finished correctly as soon as the end of the boom (in the normal sailing position) crossed the line on the correct side. There is no obligation for the whole boat to cross the line, but they would have to 'clear' the line without then fouling the mark with the boom end/sheet, otherwise they would have to then take a penalty before 'finishing'. EDIT; Stuart, AKA Drifter posted that exact poser (for real) earlier on in the thread!
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Lukepiewalker
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 12 at 8:53am | |
Would it be covered by Rule 28? It may meet the definition of finishing, but does it meet he requirements for sailing the course.
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gordon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 12 at 9:43am | |
Thanks for providing the jury here with a subject of discussion.
The boat has finished, however she has not sailed the course and has broken rule 28.1. She may correct that error and finish a second time. |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 12 at 10:07am | |
Please could you elucidate Gordon: I'm sure you're right, or at least certainly ought to be right, but I couldn't make a distinction in my head between that and a boat which crosses the line with one item of equipment in its correct location and then drifts back... Consider a line set almost parallel to the last leg and a boat in which the boom end crosses the line right in the middle to finish and then the boat doesn't cross the line any further but returns to the course side. and then sails round the end of the line.
Now the string doesn't touch the finishing line, but I'm not sure it needs to... |
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Andymac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 12 at 4:59pm | |
Ditto, since there is no obligation for the boat to pass through the line to 'finish', I can't see how the boat has failed to sail the course. Once she has 'finished', any course obligations end.
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drifter
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 12 at 9:33pm | |
That's really interesting. I've spent all day imagining the scenarios involved, and have offered to write something for our club newsletter as hook finishes are all too common. Thanks for your advice. |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 12 at 9:03am | |
So a finish line can be exactly parallel to the direction of the last mark (so you turn slightly at the ODM to cross) but as soon as it is at a negative angle, you would automatically cross in the other direction, even if you had been using the ODM as a mark of the course up to then?
Just getting this clear in my head... |
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alstorer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 12 at 9:45am | |
Yes, that is in fact how the rulebook defines it.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 12 at 10:39am | |
Precisely Rupert, nice way to explain it, I shall have to remember that...
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