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jeffers
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Topic: Mixed fleet leeward mark rounding incident Posted: 22 Jan 16 at 9:11am |
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I think you protest the boat that failed the rule for you, it is up to them to protest the subsequent boat after that.
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Paul
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GarethT
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 16 at 9:17am | |
Does that work in practice, or would they just be deemed to have not had opportunity to keep clear?
I guess it would be down to how many boats there are. If you are inside 3 boats it's reasonable to expect the third to be aware of what's going on. If it's a raft of 20, are we expecting each to protest the one outside it? The theory and reality may not match up. |
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 16 at 9:18am | |
That is the problem. If it is a raft of 20 there is probably zero chance that you would know the outside boat!
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 16 at 9:37am | |
Leaving Magenta on S out of it, arguably Yellow is not giving mark-room to everyone else, Blue is not giving mark-room to everyone else, etc etc. It if was decided that Yellow did not fail to give you mark-room to Cyan because they were too far apart (which I wouldn't think was a good decision), then Yellow would have at least failed to give mark-room to Blue, etc etc. Protest the lot of them. If you just protested the Assy boat closest to you, then a smart protest committee might then protest each other boat up the chain under rule 60.3( a )(2), but that requires the protest committee to be smart and to exercise a discretion in your favour.
Likewise the intervening boats. They are under no obligation, in any circumstances to protest another boat.
Don't rely on anybody else to do your work for you. You can submit a valid written protest within the protest time limit, without including the identity of the boat you are protesting, as long as you do identify the protestee and advise the protest committee before the hearing.
Sailing into a pack-up then claiming you didn't have room to give room or mark-room is no excuse: All the Assy boats have been overlapped for quite a long time (none clear astern of another), and the Sym boats will likewise have been overlapped on Cyan for quite some time and even on the two Stbd Assy boats for a significant time. The Get out of Gaol card for 'unable to give mark-room' in rule 18.2( e ) is restricted in application and only applies if a boat is unable from the time the overlap began.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 16 at 9:39am | |
So you may (and indeed under the fundamental rule you really should) protest any and every boat you consider broke a rule. And
So your protest should identify as many as possible of the boats that you consider broke a rule. It seems its now irrelevant who they fouled (if indeed it ever was), and if the PC identifies further boats in the course of the hearing that were involved they may (and really should) be added to the hearing. Who the ultimate guilty party(ies) are isn't really your problem, that's down to the PC to sort out. They may find some boats in the incident, although they broke a rule, get exonerated because they were prohibited from obeying the rules by another boat's actions, but that's all down to the PC to sort out. The protest form only needs to identify the incident. It doesn't affect the outcome if the protester gets every single rule breach they allege wrong. Edited by JimC - 22 Jan 16 at 9:47am |
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Turkey Pie
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 16 at 6:22pm | |
Thanks Chaps, Your advice around the rules has been very informative and I'm clear on this now.
I find with the technical jargon of the rules I unfortunately tend to loose my train of thought within one sentence, let alone a paragraph!
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