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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 12 at 10:58am
Originally posted by gbr940

..the USP IMO is the ability to launch the boat from a slipway


B1, SB20, Melges 20 and Viper all have lifting keels and can therefore be launched from a slipway. A lot of SB20s are operated that way.
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Rondar are doing Viper demos. Their marketing ethos is to build a class organically and therefore through clubs in this country. The company has been concerned about the Viper competing for market share in the UK with the K6. They are in fact rather different boats (I sail both) but I can understand their caution. Optimum crew weight in the Viper is about 38 - 40 stone.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gbr940 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 12 at 11:56am
Don't forget the Viper is older as a design then the Laser SB3...sorry I meant SB20. Didn't Race 1 of Hamble try and sell and market the boat but to no avail on sales...Rondar seem to do well with 100% export nowadays still!!
 
What I meant by the USP of the J/70 compared to the J/80 (which is next in line on the catalogue) is that it is completely slipway launchable...although some of the 80 fleet at Windermere who slipway launch the 80's would argue otherwise.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 12 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by Van Mentz

The company has been concerned about the Viper competing for market share in the UK with the K6.


Good grief, how many new K6s have they sold in the UK in the last few years?

The K6 is a dinghy with a bulb IMO (and I've sailed them a number of times) e.g. cannot stow an outboard which is a PITA operating out of somewhere like Hamble. The Viper (which I haven't sailed) is a sports boat. Not the same thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 12 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by gbr940

Didn't Race 1 of Hamble try and sell and market the boat but to no avail on sales...


The first part of that sentence is certainly correct and afaik also the second.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Van Mentz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 12 at 1:17pm
You are quite right a number of Vipers were imported to this country in the mid to late 90's, at that time they were built in the States. They had crude alloy masts and the initiative was not a success here. Rondar have built them since 2006ish, sorted out a carbon rig, the moulds and a few other bits and pieces and the boat is now a darling. 

I also agree with your comments about the K6. We found it too small for the Solent whereas the Viper handles the conditions well.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote awdean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 13 at 4:33pm
Hello All,  I've got a Beneteau First Class 7.5 which is a great boat to sail and cheap to buy 2nd hand - with v powerful gennaker.  Unfortunately there are hardly any in the UK, though I think there are loads on the continent and worth investigating.  

The main issue for me is that are too few sportsboats at all here even though the yacht and dinghy racing scene in general is very strong.  My most important wish is to encourage sportsboats to race collectively on handicap rather than promote individual class silos.

If choosing a new boat, practical issues to bear in mind:

-  If you intend to berth it in a marina, check the berthing charges.  Some marina companies will class it as a dayboat which is MUCH cheaper than the standard yacht rates.  The FC7.5s and 1720s are dayboats but B/Ones, J70s and J80s are not because they have accommodation.  Having said that, the B/One accomodation is an optional extra.

-  The FC7.5 is designed to be ramp-launched however, while it is possible, the mast is heavy enough to need either a crane or need a few gorillas to step it by hand.  Therefore check mast weight if you intend to ramp launch. 

-  Dont forget the outboard.  In my experience tiny outboards are not sufficient if the weather gets too lively.  I have had to change a 3.5hp short shaft outboard to a 5hp long shaft one because the former couldnt cope with rough weather and the prop was always popping out of the water.

-  Choose whether to sit in (with or without guardrails) or out - see other comments on this thread.

In short.  Sportsboats are great - at least mine is.  They need more collective uptake.  Consider the hidden costs/practicalities which are different with each class.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 13 at 9:36am
Originally posted by awdean

The main issue for me is that are too few sportsboats at all here even though the yacht and dinghy racing scene in general is very strong. 


Not sure why you say that when there have been huge SB20 and J80 events in recent years and prior to that 1720s and 707s. The J70 class seems to be emerging in the Solent. Sorry but you seem to have bought into the wrong class!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote awdean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 13 at 10:01am
I should have said '.... on the Clyde' so my point remains. This weekend I am going to the first significant regatta there this year and the entries include 1 x 1720, 1 x SB20 and 1 x J70. If you would like to join in the racing starts tomorrow so you have time to trail your boat here.
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In the USA the j70 is significantly cheaper than the M24 and has sold a bag, where as in Blighty and Ireland we had the "anti melges" Cork 1720 and the right price, right size SB3/ 20. 

I never even saw the place for the j80 versus the cork or m24 in the UK. As for the j88, did we not have a j92s for this niche?

I think the only gap in the market as "recovery" and access to loans comes in will be a sporty trailable, racer-sleeper not unlike the seascape punted above but a little bigger with Sb3 performance. 

There are lots of 22-26 foot sporties which dont' sleep half their crew, and this is a major cost in doing the nationals or travellers otherwise. Such a shame- many sportsboats could have simple pipecots or berths for four or five.


Crewing on a Melges 24, against my better judgement...
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