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    Posted: 08 Aug 12 at 2:01pm
I mean how dare they. They can buy the same wheels as us can't they?

This sort've think would never happen in sailing now would it?

49.9er?

This story will please Iain Percy, who always delights in telling me that the Star is the most one-design class in the Olympics, with the 49er and other classes being far more variable than we are led to believe. Iain and I generally agree to disagree on this point, but the comments of the Danish 49er crew today lend some weight to Percyís point of view.

This is what Danish skipper Allan Norregaard had to say when asked about the runaway performance of Nathan Outteridge and Iain Jensen: ďI donít know what they found, but they definitely managed to get really good. They are sailing really nicely here and over the last two years. There is someone talking about that they have a little bit of different boat, the Australians, but I havenít been measuring anything on it. Thatís really bad if they have. Itís supposed to be a one design (class).Ē

On whether there can be much optimisation within that one design:
ďWell, maybe if you are good friends with one of the boat-builders it seems like you can do a little bit but I havenít seen this so I donít know. If itís true I think itís bad for the class, but I hope itís not too much.Ē

On whether the Australians and New Zealanders have been faster than the Danish boat in the same wind:
ďYes, they definitely had better speed than us.Ē

I spoke to someone who knows the 49er class very well, and he doesnít believe the Aussies have any discernible equipment edge over the rest of the fleet. But while there is an almost perfect split in the 20-boat fleet between Ovington and Mackay hulls, the Aussies are using a hull built by Bethwaite Design.

Has that really been the difference between the Aussies and the rest of the fleet? I choose to believe not, but the Danish comments suggest they feel otherwise.

http://www.sailjuice.com/articles/Day-10-at-the-Olympic-Regatta-Insurance-Policy-Controversy#.UCJisc9wcoM



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Interesting story. Presumably Bethwaite Design are a licensed builder? Putting aside the implication that that mould has been tweeked especially for the Aussies, - I wonder why no-one else got their boat from Bethwaite?
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When it comes to the cycling wheels, Braislford, Boardman etc are all adamant that they are standard Mavic (french) product, identical to those used in Athens(!). The bags are just keeping them cleaner. There may have been a "lost in translation" moment involving Braislford claiming the wheels were "extra-round".
 
But the 49er thing- anyone care to officially call "shennanigans"?
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Bethwaite Design are indeed a licensed builder, but AIUI traditionally the MacKay boats have been considered better.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SUGmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 12 at 4:18pm
Spot the difference? Crack in the hull aft the daggerboard!

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I liked the story (today in the Times) that the cycling team put away all their special carbon kit after Bejing and used standard alloy stuff until now.  This allowed the other teams to think they'd caught up until now!  I think this means I have to enter the next Olympic trials in my 1963 Finn and only bring out the Devoti for Rio!  In fact, perhaps the squad should all sail in the CVRDA for the next 4 years!
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Originally posted by Peaky

Interesting story. Presumably Bethwaite Design are a licensed builder? Putting aside the implication that that mould has been tweeked especially for the Aussies, - I wonder why no-one else got their boat from Bethwaite?
They wouldn't make them for anybody else - or so I heard.
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Originally posted by ellistine

They wouldn't make them for anybody else - or so I heard.

Funny, says here http://bethwaite.com/shop/index.php/products/part_list/109 you can buy one on line...
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AIUI, the UCI demands that all kit is commercially available. 
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by ellistine

They wouldn't make them for anybody else - or so I heard.

Funny, says here http://bethwaite.com/shop/index.php/products/part_list/109 you can buy one on line...

Put your order in and then see what happens. 

I think this is a red herring they were clearly the best. But why cast a shadow by doing this, why not just buy an ovi?
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