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i have never paid to sail and we are not paying for the fastnet this year, but some of the boats in our class some of the 40.7 are going for massive charter rates and some of the chalange boats are charging alot.  all i have eva had to pay was the occational bacon butty
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I think splitting fees and even whole season costs comes at another price for the owner and relationships on board

There is an expectation with pay-to-play that you make more calls and drive now and again.

 

I certainly don't expect dinners etc paid for but it is a nice touch- and the odd brown envelope for delivery or flights is cool

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 06 at 7:26am
Originally posted by damp_freddie

I think splitting fees and even whole season costs comes at another price for the owner and relationships on board

There is an expectation with pay-to-play that you make more calls and drive now and again.

Exactly right. I've been at both ends of this relationship. If I'm crew and all that is expected of me is that I turn up and sail, then it's the owners game and I will attempt to shut up and do what I'm told (which doesn't come naturally). But if I'm contributing significantly either financially or in terms of hours spent helping with maintenance and campaign organisation, then I expect input into the programme, crew selection and so on. Owners can't expect to have it both ways.

I have also been an owner. My view was that I paid for the the boat and all bills directly related to the boat. But I expected food, shoreside accomodation and similar living-expenses bills to be split. Grown-ups shouldn't expect other people to pay for their holidays. 

Obviously once you get to grand-prix boats and professional crew, that's another situation. But that's the tiny tip of a very big iceberg.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote catmandoo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 06 at 10:53am

certainly not my experience on either count , but you guessed that from above , shame that some folk would rather race with those that are prepared to pay - doesn't neccesarily make them the best crew and if you race you want the best you can get

 

other thing perhaps localised to sunny scotland is most keelboats up here can't find enough crew .

Only boat I know of charging/ splitting costs , most folk wouldn't be seen dead on .

 

There are of course the scenario where a group of folk charter a boat to race and split costs .

 

I was lucky when young as I was a dinghy sailor and at that time dinghy sailors could waltz onto the helm of a racing keelboat and do well straight away compared to lifetime keelboat helms , don't think that is the case now to such an extent .

 

When I race I want to race @100% and thats why I race my cat , can afford that , I cruise my keelboat - can't afford to race it , and race on others who can , works for me

 

enough of my babble

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 06 at 8:01am

Originally posted by catmandoo

other thing perhaps localised to sunny scotland is most keelboats up here can't find enough crew .

That's true for most owners in most places, I think.

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