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Originally posted by sargesail

Jeffers,

Well aware of it and why we set up on the inside on many occasions.  But I'm talking slow moving lasers running by the lee on port.  I was looking up their transom line having rounded as the B14.  Their nose was variously 1.5 to 2 boat lengths from the mark and the B14 was a good 3/4 of a length behind transom line calling not room (and I mean the sprit not the bow), but starboard.

Happened twice.

The answer is for people to know and apply the rules.  This was too much to be misperception just bullying. Because once the 3 lasers give room the damage is done.

Simple answer, the Lasers agree to witness each other and protest the B14 for not keep clear when they were not overlapped at the zone...the B14 gets chucked.

This would be my interpretation...if you are not overlapped at the zone then being on starboard counts for nowt (I could be wrong there are other rules people who are far more knowledgeable that I around here).

I would have hoped that sailing a performance boat like a B14 that requires a reasonable amount of skill they would also amass a reasonable amount of rules knowledge more for their own protection than anything else! If like you say it was deliberate and they were bullying then were are back to good old rule 2 again.....but lets not go there shall we....
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if there were two incidents with B14s doing this, then they were two different boats! We did get this wrong on one occasion (made the wrong call Embarrassed), but on our incident the guy in the 100 reckoned our bowsprit had overlapped the Fireball concerned in good time- the Fireball sailor though was of the belief that bowsprits don't count for overlap. They don't count for boat length, true, but as the spinnaker was still hoisted and filled, it certainly counted for overlap. So, ignorance was met with ignorance.

There definitely weren't any Lasers anywhere in the area when this happened!

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Al,

I don't think it was you then.......!
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by sargesail

Jeffers,

Well aware of it and why we set up on the inside on many occasions.  But I'm talking slow moving lasers running by the lee on port.  I was looking up their transom line having rounded as the B14.  Their nose was variously 1.5 to 2 boat lengths from the mark and the B14 was a good 3/4 of a length behind transom line calling not room (and I mean the sprit not the bow), but starboard.

Happened twice.

The answer is for people to know and apply the rules.  This was too much to be misperception just bullying. Because once the 3 lasers give room the damage is done.

Simple answer, the Lasers agree to witness each other and protest the B14 for not keep clear when they were not overlapped at the zone...the B14 gets chucked.


I disagree - return to the point of certainty.  The B14 is establishing, not the Lasers breaking the overlap, so the B14 should give room and protest.

It is not a simple case of let them in and protest. 
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