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    Posted: 22 Jul 10 at 3:00pm
Our little fleet of 4K's have had quite a laugh this
year. Luckily my comparative boat speed has been enough
to make up for my lack of sailing experience. If we get a
good enough start then we usually keep the lead.

However, I'm sensing a change of tactics. It appears
we're now having bad starts 'forced' upon us. This
usually consists of them being all over us like a rash on
the pre-start and luffed up on the start line approach to
the point where we stall and then generally spend quite a
while in dirty air trying to get moving again.

What are the best counter-tactics to make sure you don't
have to listen to someone going "up you go Keith, up you
go"?
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just avoid that situation by planning ahead during the pre
start manouvers, keep your head out of the boat??

are the other boats also 4000s? or other boats

if they are other 4000s look at their rig settings to find
how they are out-pointing you...
if other boats you may have to just avoid these situations
or grin and bear it, then trash them on boatspeed :)
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Yep all 4000s. They don't out point us when sailing but
they do like to use their rights to push us up on the
approach to the start line. Creates them a nice gap to bear
away into and leaves us ducking the boom trying to stop the
bloody thing tacking!
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next race try and be the ones using the rights, always keep
an eye out to leeward and try and perfect holding position
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That's what I don't get. I am always trying to get into a
position to do the pushing but always end up getting
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Originally posted by ellistine

What are the best counter-tactics to make sure you don't
have to listen to someone going "up you go Keith, up you
go"?

Be the one doing it to them [grin].
Not something I personally have to think about too much, but its an area covered in most basic racing coaching sessions, see if you can get on a club level course if there's no 4 Tonner coaching available...
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are you getting to the line to early? And sitting there like a duck
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 10 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by AlexM

are you getting to the line to early? And
sitting there like a duck

Quite possibly. Infact, more than likely. Not a bad point.
Presumably keep it moving then?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tgruitt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 10 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by ellistine

Originally posted by AlexM

are you getting to the line to early? And
sitting there like a duck

Quite possibly. Infact, more than likely. Not a bad point.
Presumably keep it moving then?


If the fleet find out you are bad at starting then they will be queuing up to start next to you, it makes it an easy option for them. Just try and find a gap with room below you to bear off into, there can't be that many L4000's on the line.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 10 at 4:04pm
Three, sometimes four 4000's but part of a handicap race so
generally 20 or so other boats.

Perhaps I need to work on my timing and approach a bit
later and faster.
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