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Originally posted by GK.LaserII


Related issue: what height is best for the jib cleats (I
can bend them). The crew likes to cleat them to do other
things but depending on her position they are not usable
all the time.



Sounds like our old Vago. The crew could only cleat the jib
sheets if flat wiring. Any higher and the angles are all
wrong. Actually thinking about it, does your crew take the
jib sheets with them? I know mine likes to use them to help
pull herself back in during a lull.
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Does the crew take the mainsheet upwind and on white sail reaches? If not I suggest you try it.
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Originally posted by ellistine



Sounds like our old Vago. The crew could only cleat the jib
sheets if flat wiring. Any higher and the angles are all
wrong. Actually thinking about it, does your crew take the
jib sheets with them? I know mine likes to use them to help
pull herself back in during a lull.

 

That's exactly the problem.....my argument would be that she needs to be able to cleat uncleat while flat out because if an overpowering gust hits and she is at the extreme and can't ease the jib  But that excludes using the cleat on other occasion cos it's too low........We have the jibs sheets tied to the trap handle

 

 

Originally posted by JimC

Does the crew take the mainsheet upwind and on white sail reaches? If not I suggest you try it.

I can see the logic and we can give it a go, although I suspect she may not be strong enough for upwind.......Most mixed L2 teams who have the Lady helming have to hand the mainsheet to the male crew because they are not strong enough upwind (the all male teams don't generally give the mainsheet to the crew)......Worth a try though.



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On my old laser 2, I used to cleat the jib from out on the wire using my foot (and still do the same on the Javelin) .. ie bend rear knee, put front toes inside the gunnall and on top of the sheet, then push down with foot.  

On my V3000 I've angled the jib cleats up so they cleat from a high or a low wire position (takes a lot of fiddling as if you simply bend the cleats up, the rope comes through at the wrong angle ... and it self uncleats in a strong wind; had to change the fairleads too).   Uncleating can now only be done from a high hook position so I do it as I step into the boat during tacks - in gusty weather it's not an issue as I'm wiring much higher anyway.

I've tried the "crew takes the main" system up wind in the 3k - and it works, but you need a very good crew - and without a jib self tacker, even a good crew can get in a tangle during tacks - especially with the laser 2's floor mounted main sheet block.  Crew may have to hand main sheet back to helm for tacks. 

All this cleating and uncleating can be avoided if you "up and ease" on every gust - not only depowers the boat but gets you further up wind.  Result!
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Originally posted by GK.LaserII

Originally posted by Contender 541

Simple really

I'll try that next time

What height on the wire would you recommend?.....flat out seems a tad risky.

Ellistine:.....The cunnigham gets used if the gusts are likely to overpower us otherwise not, the cunningham is not an easy use control on the L2. Something I can play with though.

Related issue: what height is best for the jib cleats (I can bend them). The crew likes to cleat them to do other things but depending on her position they are not usable all the time.

Okay - in order

Trapeze height in the gusty stuff - a height at which you feel comfortable and that you can get in and out with easily.  As the wind builds and becomes more constant, I go lower on the wire.  Some members of the 5oh fleet trapeze at a height lower than that of the side of the boat (in the right conditions). 

Cunningham - use if overpowered, not if you may be overpowered.  That is what a swift bear away is for  (and for the crew a very swif bend of the legs)

Jib cleats - again at the 'right' height (so you can cleat and uncleat easily from all angles).  More importantly, what is your crew doing thinking about doing something else.  If you get overpowered the crew needs to react NOW and crack the jib a bit while the helm bears off, not when they have got around to picking the sheets up and breaking the cleat

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 All good stuff....need a few practice sessions to try these ideas out.

...and yes, we up and ease as best we can, it's the sudden massive holes we struggle with most....and I suspect decreasing agility as we get older is one of the issues (what's the 2 handed equivalent of a Solo) although perhaps we could do a little more to see them comming.

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Originally posted by GK.LaserII

what's the 2 handed equivalent of a
Solo

Laser 2000? Crewed one tonight in 25knots. Very well
behaved (the boat not me).
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On the sea and in a trapeze boat would you not want to pinch in the first place so the boat should have a fair amount of power to get through waves and in the lulls should give the crew enough time to haul themselves in? <note the(?)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 10 at 11:29pm

Originally posted by ellistine

Originally posted by GK.LaserII

what's the 2 handed equivalent of a
Solo

Laser 2000? Crewed one tonight in 25knots. Very well
behaved (the boat not me).

although my comment was slightly flippant I might be persuaded in a few years

Still doing quite well at club level so not quite ready for it yet  I think we can still improve a bit as well......before we get too decrepit

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