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detente
Groupie Joined: 04 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
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Topic: 1/4 tonners + the cup Posted: 08 Sep 09 at 12:47pm |
Dont get me wrong I have nothing against optimisation of any boat (quaters included) to what the owner interprets as IRC friendly mods. My gripe is that in order to take any quater tonner to a competitve level, (as generally they have either been neglected for years in a shed or turned into a cruiser), it costs a huge amount of cash in order to do so. But at the end of the day if you can justify spending lots of money on a little old race boat fine...I suppose this is indicative of Keel boat racing in general, Its an expensive sport! |
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laser193713
Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Sep 09 at 3:48pm |
No not really, we didnt spend a lot, we have done more than we needed to, and 9th in that fleet is good i would say, there are a lot of top crews and our crew for the event had never sailed together before! Edited by laser193713 |
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detente
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Sep 09 at 1:02pm |
Does any crew who have put a campaign together wish to publish the costs they have spent and then each to their own can judge the costs as to whether it is expensive or not!
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detente
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 12:19pm |
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tgruitt
Really should get out more Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 09 at 2:09pm |
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Needs to sail more...
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detente
Groupie Joined: 04 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 09 at 12:34pm |
you should be so lucky! That mowing my garden by now!
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laser193713
Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 09 at 10:13pm |
That little electric engine was funny, not really made for a boat that size i'm afraid!
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Juggs
Newbie Joined: 24 Sep 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 19 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 09 at 6:56pm |
One of the things that has been lost to everyone posting so far is that under the old IOR rule, every boat competing in a level rating class was measured, optimised and prepared to conform to a single figure rating such as 18.5ft for the quarter ton class.
Now it just depends on how deep the owner wishes to hammer their cheque book to achieve the lowest IRC figure his rating consultant/drinking partner thinks they can get. It would have been much fairer to state a band width that all the boats could be optimised to fall into. 875 to 910 as a suggestion. This opportunity has now been lost unless the class makes a big decision on it's future on how to trim the costs that rumour control keeps pumping out! I think it's great that these old boats are going out racing just as hard as when they were new, but some of the changes are possibly not for the better. |
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laser193713
Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 09 at 10:29am |
Since we have had sgt pepper the rating has gone from 0.869 up to 0.874 and now its back down to 0.869, the boat is also now going faster than ever, so you could say we have optimised well. The way we did it was make the boat go fast with more sail, and taking the engine out and the new rudder, then tweak things like the forestay position, which we moved to the bow, this allowed us to fit a jib (115% sheeting inside the shrouds) instead of the 150% genoa which was harder to use around a windward leeward course and was wasted sail area in anything over 8 knots. We lost about 2m of sail area from this change which we added to the kite and added a longer spinny pole. Moving area around like this is the best way to optimise a boat without having a new rig, you need new sails every so often so why not change them around a bit, having said that our quantum main has lasted about 4 years now, still looks new but starts to flutter a bit in strong winds, genoas take much more of a battering though, another reason to change to smaller overlap sails! |
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padigram
Newbie Joined: 20 Feb 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 10 at 9:29am |
We bought our (one off) Quarter tonner for £4k (after months of searching for the right boat) then spent a year rebuilding her, new deck, cockpit, coachroof, new (second hand) rig, new deck gear. The materials cost was around £5k plus sails. We did all of the work ourselves Running costs - depends on where you moor & how much you race. The bottom line is you can go out and spend upwards of £20k on a sorted boat or as little as £2-3k on a fixer upper. PBO is running a series of articles at the moment following the rejuvenation of Minestrone by her owner. We love the QT fleet, great racing at a very high standard and a fleet full of people who will advise, help and support any new entrants to the class. |
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