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zailor
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Topic: Byte CII and weather helm Posted: 24 May 09 at 4:08pm |
My brothers CII has a very heavy help and I found it ver heavy the other day in a f5.
YES the boat is flat bus still seems to be heavy as iff its poped up a little but its right down as far as it goes.
Is the rudder just heavy or is something wrong? |
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radixon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 09 at 5:37pm |
Fit the rudder and insert daggerboard
Turn boat over and check to see it they are aligned, this may be the issue. |
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zailor
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 09 at 6:46pm |
Will do. |
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Jon Emmett
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 09 at 6:29pm |
Probably sailing with too much kicker. It is a shame you missed the class training at the weekend. We spent lots of timing looking at rig set up!
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zailor
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 09 at 7:20pm |
I took it out today in about 5-6 Knots maybe
Wouldnt plane but definatley shifting. I think it pop's up a little because I find the cleat doesnt hold very well.
also reading up on the class rules I see your now alowed two traveler carrs (did i spell that right).
Looks likr my brother's lost his boat
Are there any other training events? |
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tack'ho
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 09 at 8:33pm |
Like the lazy, you have got to get the rudder all the
way down and keep it there. I have a wing bolt and push the rudder down by hand and tighten the nut. Don't forget to loosen before trying to come ashore. And like a laser sail it flat, no really flat....no seriously flatter ps. Where are you i may be able to have a look if your in the home counties or the North East if the above doesn't solve it. (or i'll just ask Jon) Edited by tack'ho |
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Jon Emmett
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 09 at 9:19pm |
There are very few (if any?) boats that plane in 5/6 knots!
For the rudder buy a new cleat and some stretchy rope and put in a purchase system. I haven't used the new traveller but I am sure it makes it much easier for sailing. On another point you need a consistent angle of heel for a Laser which is just off flat (to hold the centreboard securely in it's casing so it doesn't wobble about too much. |
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zailor
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 09 at 10:26pm |
The Center board has a good snug fit.
Just a question why streachy rope and not non streach? |
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Jon Emmett
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 09 at 10:54pm |
Centreboards do not have a nice snug fit in Lasers and wobble about if the level of heel is not constant.
If you have non-stretch rope and it slips a couple of mm then the rudder raises a corresponding amount. If the rope is stretchy and pulled really tight then the rudder is held really tight and if it slips very slightly the rudder is still held really tight. By using a 3:1 purchase system if the rope slips for example 3mm then in the stock there is only 1mm slipage. You would not want to use Excel pro as this is a low stretch rope. |
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laser193713
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 09 at 10:30am |
yes this is true for all dinghys with lifting rudders, I dont understand why laser stock a dyneema or vectran rudder downhaul with the XD range!? I now use my old outhaul control line (which is stretchy!!!) and also stretchy lines hold in cleats better. In the laser most tillers require this line to be tied rather than cleated, this makes the stretchy rope even more important because its even harder to keep it tight especially when launching into a big sea at stokes bay! The 700 i bought also had low stretch rope for this and it wouldnt cleat despite the cleat being in good condition, this type of rope goes hard under tension so the cleat finds it hard to dig in, so it slips more. |
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