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Not only vertical and unbent; they even have the outhaul off.  Very powered up indeed! 

Sadly I can't do that single handed.


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amazingly the windmeter at the club was reading 32 knots that day, it was amazing sailing it really was, the waves were perfect for jumping and surfing on.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ballina Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 08 at 9:52pm
did I say "3000 & Vago take on the Vario"....did u see that photo!.. I thnk I have jus been turned to the dark side.  Vago & vario just got slapped in the face

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i am biased but the 3000 is an amazing boat for singlehanding in the light stuff and when the wind gets up and you have a crew you cant beat it for a sensation of speed
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That is me sold.....3000 it is. 

Only questions I have in the back of my mind is why Laser stopped producing it & what are the bugs that Vandercraft had to iron out in the V3000? 

Are they serious enough to make me steer clear of the L3000.  Considering my (lack of) ability, I expect it will not make much of a difference (other than the dent in my wallet).

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the only thing you need to watch for is under the gunwhales where the shroud plates attatch there will be a stainless steel plate it needs to be mre than 2 inches long or it will pull through the deck, its a problem laser sorted out on their later boats..

Basically what vandercraft have done is stiffen and lighten the hull, redesigned the sails and there is a new rudder, but even at the nationals the old boats werent doing too badly..

 

if you have anymore questions pm me and i will do my best to help (im on the 3000 comitte)

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Originally posted by ballina

Only questions I have in the back of my mind is why Laser stopped producing it & what are the bugs that Vandercraft had to iron out in the V3000? 

My guess is that it was a lot cheaper for Laser to make the plastic Vago than is was to make the g.r.p. 3000, simple as that.

As to bugs, Dan has identified the only one, and while there's no question that the Vandercraft boats are lighter, stiffer and thus potentially quicker and more lively, with its extra weight the Laser is definitely more stable.

The old Hyde sails as supplied with the Laser could also be said to be more versatile for singlehanders - you can furl the jib and reef the main. That said, Vandercraft are now also optionally supplying a Dacron North jib which in principle can also be furled (the Mylar one is battened, thus unfurlable) - some of us are about to fit furlers to our V3k's and try that out.

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There was a big gap between Laser at least giving up on bothering with the 3k (you could probably still have bought one if you'd asked nicely) and the Vago coming along, wasn't there?

When the 3k was launched, it was touted as as Youth boat, and I think did briefly have an RYA Squad? I think Laser started to lose interest when the 29er took the Youth asymmetric role (pushing the 405 out of the way as well).
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Originally posted by ballina

why Laser stopped producing it


It wasn't selling! Plus I think all the major suppliers have figured that the sales numbers are in entry level boats at the moment.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ballina Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 08 at 3:05pm

Thanks Dan/All. 

The advise is much appreciated.  Must admit, the responses have been great.....quite a supportive community.  Felt the same welcome/friendliness when I crewed  on a boat for a couple of weekend races.

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