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    Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 10:58am

Anyone know what rule the Protest Committee used to give redress to the Ausies against Alistair & Ian?

Whilst no-one likes the use of 'Team/Match Racing' tactics in fleet racing, it does happen & obviously won Ben the Gold in Sydney.

The implications of this decision (even though it is only one event) could be extremely significant

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I would think this is different to what Ben did in Sydney - he used match racing tactics.

This looks like team racing tactics, this is not on in fleet racing. Getting a friend or friends to hamper another competitor is not sportman like. If this is what happened then they deserve what they get. After all this is what the rules say is it not.

On the other hand it must have been a very difficult thing to prove and I would not like to have been on the protest committee for that one. 

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I agree, the problem is that you will have to prove that it was a team effort, and given that there is no rule saying you have to sail at your fastest then it is quite easy for the aussies to say that it was one boat "doing a ben" (for want of a better term) just for themselves.  Iwould love to see the race and the transcripts from the protest, if nothing else to see what the official line was on the matter
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Can't believe that anyone could disagree with the Protest Committee. Pretty obvious what was happeneing when Alistair 'sailed back' from 150 mtres ahead

Thought it might have been rule 2 & good to see that it is being implemented

Thanks for the info Harry

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 3:09pm

was the series 7 races, discard 2 ? (or discard 1)

If discard only one then does this not apply :

As AUS631 is discarding a 27, if they could be sailed down to 29th they would need to count it and then be down the pan ?

 

And if so was not GBR1516 valid in trying this (all-be-it too late as it was probably (rightly?) seen as an attempt to help GBR1513).

Any one know how many discards were available ?  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil eltringham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 3:12pm
By the looks of it i think the RMW boys could have been a bit more subtle about it.  Simply follow the aussies round the whole course slowing them a little at a time instead of doing it all in one hit at the end, where their influence could easilly be quantified.  Harder to do, but 'safer' from their point of view. 
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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

was the series 7 races, discard 2 ? (or discard 1)

Discard 1 by the look of it. The way I read it, that is implicit in the protest committee's report. Also the NOR http://www.takapunaboating.org.nz/SMLogo/Int%2014%20NoR.doc doesn't say anything special about discard, and the default arrangement in RRS Appendix A is one discard. The SIs don't seem to be on the website.

Personally I think GBR1516 was lucky to avoid a rule 69 protest. 

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If you have not read the links please do, the reports are so enlightening!

What price the RYA Charter when the pressures of performance to gain sponsorship and RYA funding require our top sailors to resort to such depths

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 4:55pm

Originally posted by Ralph T

What price the RYA Charter when the pressures of performance to gain sponsorship and RYA funding require our top sailors to resort to such depths

It does seem as though something like the "professional foul" has come to a major sailing event, and that if the need to show a return on their sponsor's money hadn't been involved,  the incident may not have happened.

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