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Thanks for the all info. Lots to think about. Like you Redback i was overtaking the chop but then every 4th and 5th wave were a bit bigger so when I got to those it was surfing with the subsequent loss of pressure in the rig. basically up wind I need to get more in tune and work the boat with the waves as Sten suggests and off wind I need to formulate a stragegy depending on where the waves are coming from to bear off and surf the big un's and then down wind it will be surfing with by the lee in the troughs to get me to the waves I want to surf.

I know my rig settings were fine for the conditions.In the 300 when you get to a certain point you tend to be on pretty much the same settings  when sailing off wind as to sailing upwind. Down wind it was only less kicker used. Even the board stayed up 10 inches all day!

 

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it may have been ok for you dics. however with the board up and maxed out kicker and downhaul i was still overpowered. obviously i should be on the baby rig. im just wondering, i know there mush be lots of lightweights in the same situation, how do they cope?

or is it simply a matter of sheeting out and curling the front of the main? i hate doing this upwind because of the extra drag im creating which slows me down. on the other hand will be overpowered be slowing me more?

G.R.F, i dont suppose you could reccoment a book or something to help with waves (its jut upwind, downwind i love surfing them) 

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Tom,

Talk to class coach Alastair Wood. He is a light weight and last year moved from an A to B rig. You can email him on the Yahoo group.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 08 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by tmoore


G.R.F, i dont suppose you could reccoment a book or something to
help with waves (its jut upwind, downwind i love surfing
them) 



Doh it's such a long time ago I read up on this sort of stuff. I can't
remember for the life of me where I came across that "jefferies sheltering
theory" if you google it all it comes up with is my references to it here.
But it was in a sailing book that dealt with waves, but....

In those days more often than not, the waves were moving faster than the
boats and even reading back to my own views, they tend toward that
tactical view that often the issue is climbing up the backs then surfing
down the front.

Angles now play a big part with us, and crews, deciding to take a
promenade around the foredeck, then whining like girls when they slip in
the water, lucky they have that wire thing to bounce from, why they have
to spin round in circles as well though, all because I've had to bear off a
bit suddenly to catch a wave..
Then they whine cos they can't hold the spinnaker when I need to climb
high a bit along a particular face to build the speed necessary to dive
down and clear the back of the next wave.
So now what we've worked out to keep him happy he controls all the
wave riding activity with 'off' 'up' commands. All I now do is waggle the
stick, a monkey could do it.

But back to the question, I'll have to check up at home, see if I can
remember/find any of my old sailing books. Obviously "start to win'
would have been one of them, I can't remember what he said about
waves, I used to have endless debates with him, coming as I did more
from the windsurfers planing centreboard free angle.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 08 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by tmoore

or is it simply a matter of sheeting out and curling the front of the main? i hate doing this upwind because of the extra drag im creating which slows me down. on the other hand will be overpowered be slowing me more?

if the boat heels it is slow because you will end up fighting the rudder better to let the sail out or pinch

which will depend on the type of wave, if the wave is square on upwind you can flatten them out by sailing at an angle over them either pinching or footing which ever allows you to get over the difficult waves with out slamming them,

if you want to foot then you will have to play the main alot to keep it flat, the other option is to pinch over the waves which is slower but silular vmg.

if you are very light and its windy reaching of is often and rapid trimming the main the best option but you will need to be fit.

 

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