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nutonthetiller
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Topic: Medal Races - poor format? Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 7:31am |
My suggestion of a pursuit style;e race would be that the points from the series give you a personal handicap. Rather like on the ITV Gladiators programme. So the leading boat goes on the first whistle etc.
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laserboy404
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 7:56am |
I agree that the medal race and the double points system is flawed because it is too easy for someone to knock you right down the table, even if you have posted a consistent scoreline all week |
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laser4000
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 8:02am |
I tihnk the medal race format works really well - we've seen: -
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Coolhand
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 10:33am |
The issue for me is if you come into the race in Silver well clear of Bronze but a threat to the sailor in Gold you'll be sc*%wed - can't see how that fits in with the Olympic ethos. IMHO much better to take in a point for your postion at the end of the fleet races, then add a point for your position at the end of the medal race. Lowest score wins with draws decided by posisition before the medal race.
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laser4000
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 11:15am |
You all have such short memories - Athens '04 Mens 470s. Nick & Joe were in 1st, USA in silver clear of the bronze position. Nick / Joe just had to stop the USA sailing their race to get gold.. Tried to take them out, blew it and the yanks sailed off. If you're in 'sliver' there's lots you can do to prevent getting stuiffed - if you outstart the gold then they've got to catch you first. If gold gets you in silver locked up with a minute to go then just infringe, do your donots and get a start.. |
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laser4000
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 11:33am |
Just read SA - and Chris249 post on the medal races, got me thinking so howabout this idea..
Don't think this will lengthen the regatta much either... . Edited by laser4000 |
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Spyderman
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 3:37am |
Olympic Medal RacesIn the articles and news stories about the Olympics, I read over and over again that we are viewing the first Olympic Medal races. True enough, but a little derogative for all those people who have developed the system in the last six years. A lot of time, experiencing and rules tweaking has gone into getting to a concept that works. I remember a SPA regatta four or five years ago where the medal race was still an experiment. A lot got done since then. By ISAF, by Rules Specialists, by the Sailors, by Race Management and by Organizing Authorities. All to keep the sport of sailing into the Olympics. It is very easy to have critique about what is flawed about this concept and perhaps uninteresting to have an eye for all the positive effect that it has. With all it's drama, in heartbreaking moments for losers and jubilations for the winners, it brings out the best in sailing. Read the rest on:Olympic Medal Races |
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Medway Maniac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 9:33pm |
Surely Nick Dempsey's fate shows the folly of a double-points medal race, and not (just) because he's a Brit. After a week's sailing, he was in line for a medal, but thanks to a farcically short medal race, shortened due to a wind shift, he missed out. Surely the event should be staged in such a way as to sort out the sailors in order of ability as fairly as possible, so that the best sailor wins the gold, the next best the silver and so forth? The double-points medal race introduces a chance factor (emphasizing one race's result just because it's the last) which tends to randomize the results in the name of 'spectacle'. Hardly appropriate given the effort the the competitors have put in over the four preceding years. |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 11:55pm |
For those who are interested I've (using the wonderful Sailwave) reworked the Olympics results using standard series scoring, giving average points to those who didn't sail the medal race.
http://www.devboats.co.uk/olympics08.htm Edited by JimC |
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laser4000
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 7:25am |
We all know what you're saying but you need to contrast that with the 'need' to make sailing TV friendly. The medal race seemed to be the best compromise at the time to valuing the series but then going for a 'final' Yes there are more variabilities in sailing than virtually any other olympic sport, but if you turn on the tv and watcht the other sports they all have either heats, qualifying or knockout and then you have a 'winner takes all final' - .e.g. track and field, rowing, cycling etc etc.. The problem it generates is that you then get Simmonds having to explaing "it doesn't matter if Perce/Bart finish in 5th provided they are ahead of the swedes they win gold"...which to us makes sense..to 'armchair fan' doesnt.. |
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