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NeilP
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Topic: Ben Ainslie’s Thought on Olympic Classes Posted: 18 Aug 08 at 10:46am |
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Yes Smart cars have paddle shifts these days, but the idea that because the shift mechanism looks similar the technology and hardware must be the same is frankly ludicrous. Eventually yes, some technology will percolate down, but just as an example, road cars had ABS way before any F1 team. Marketing claims are not always the truth, you know!
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alstorer
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don't Smart cars have paddle shifters? Taking it back off topic again. But yes, Motorsport is much more of a "spectating" sport than a "participation" sport- very much the opposite of the sailing situation.
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k_kirk
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Yes. Eventually a lot finds its way into the roadcars in general. Even Mitsubishi Lancers have paddle shifters these days for example. I'm sure someone more informed could list specifics on the Ferrari's case. I'm sure you can find data on Google as well. Just hit this one as I did a quick check : http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/luxury/112_0412_2005_fer rari_f430/f1_car_comparison.html http://atlasf1.autosport.com/2000/san/preview/gray.html http://blogs.drive.com.au/2007/11/f1_tech_the_real_deal_on_f erra.html I'm just too lazy to do any more and would rather read & write about sailing this fine Sunday morning. Now shall we get this thread back on topic as meaningless as it was? |
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Chris 249
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The motorsport spend is huge in absolute terms to our eyes, but tiny as a proportion of the parent industry's spend. Toyota's bloated F1 team seems to cost it .0024 of its after-tax profit, and about .0002 of its turnover. That's $44 bucks, approximately, per car sold, as far as I can see. To put it in context, as far as I can see if Beneteau spent the same sort of proportion of their turnover on a "Grand Prix" campaign, they'd be able to afford just 2 months of a Figaro II campaign, or buy about 10 Lasers. GM's sponsorship of the US Olympic team was 1 billion (so why do the Yanks complain about British funding???), their advertising budget is 1.9 bill p.a., and they spend less than 100 mill p.a. on motorsport. So (and I'm not claiming to have any expertise on this), it seems that 1- Motorsport gets the vast majority of its funding from the motor industry. 2- It gets a tiny percentage of the motor industry's promotional funds, but because cars are such a massive industry it adds up to an enormous chunk of cash. 3- All that cash going into motorsport still doesn't generate any more players than sports that get a tiny fraction as many bucks. 4- Who cares about people watching? I've done events with something like 100,000 live spectators (Sydney Hobart starts) and did windsurfing in the pro era when we had 4-7 choppers over the fleet, and IMHO the racing generally isn't as good, sponsorship may not help the overall scene, and it makes you feel like a goldfish in a bowl. IMHO it IS related to the sailing classes in the Games, because there is an assumption that more spectacular boats will make Olympic sailing and sailing better, and IMHO it may have the opposite effect. Edited by Chris 249 |
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JimC
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Oh please. That's not motorsport: its dodgems for grown ups. You might as well say anyone who's stepped in a pedalo on holiday is Spain has tried competitive rowing. |
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NeilP
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Do you really believe that Ferrari's road cars share "a lot" - or even any - of technology with F1??
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k_kirk
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AdrianM
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Popularity was the word used by Chris not participation and if something ain't popular there aren't that many folk who will pay a few hundred quid for the privilege of camping in a wet field to go and watch it. Who cares about spectators? To continue with Chris' line of thought all the car makers, tyre suppliers et al who pump millions into the sport to get some precious air time for their brand name. They don't do it to get more people into motorsport but to more people to buy their common garden average tin box saloon. With the possible exception of Ferrari who do it the other way round, sell lots of tin boxes to make enough cash to let them go racing... Edited by AdrianM |
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DiscoBall
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 08 at 10:08am | ||
Jim - I'd reckon out of my non-sailing male friends probably 80-90% have tried karting at least once (stag dos, birthdays etc...) and probably less than 10% have been sailing (and regard my fascination with it as not a little eccentric...). With female friends I'm less sure what the numbers would be but would guess it would still be the same way round. Sailing is undoubtedly more accessible than motorsport (at least financially) for longterm participation, but I suspect F1 and similar events give an awful lot of people a hankering to try it, if only occasionally. Again more people through the door would hopefully mean more conversions to regular sailors. It also can become a virtuous circle - if people have tried the sport then their comprehension and the amount they identify with the physical act of sailing will allow them to get more out of the coverage. Sports like golf, snooker, cricket and darts all claim many hours of tv even though they really are extremely slow - but they're easy for people to try and identify with. |
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Strawberry
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The probably mean women's beach volleyball. It's hardly surprising that attracts viewers. But I would guess very few of them actually care what's happening in the sport. Maybe that's the answer? Get the 3 Blondes in a Boat in Bikinis! |
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