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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 08 at 8:02pm

I'm not seeing the photos, Nick.

edit: weird, as my post appeared, so did one photo...



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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 08 at 11:34pm

That's funny I didn't see the picture either and then when I came back to the page it had appeared.

But to get back to snagging.  Yes I think you're right a rash vest over everything is probably the best way to stop snags.  I certainly wear my bouyancy under my spray top - that way it doesn't ride up and obscure my vision when I'm in the water (which is frequently). 

One day I forgot the bouyancy aid but nobody noticed and oh what a pleasure - so much easier to get up on the board from in the water.  Of course nobody will ever believe me when I say its safer without one!

I know I'm swimming against a tide here and I'll never convince the authorities but I think the safest way to go is with these rules.

  1. all dinghy sailors should be able to swim
  2. they should not wear bouyancy aids
  3. they should not use quick release hooks
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I have just bought my first trap harness. It is a minefield. I tried out about 10 different types to get one that was easily adjustable, comfortable and did not have buckles and straps everywhere and gives adequate support. What I noticed with the upper end ones was the buckles were tucked away underneath the harness to prevent snagging. There was one harness I tried that was called something like "The Skiff Harness -  designed for skiff sailing". It had more buckles and straps than a jump seat in an F14! I thought who ever wears this must be pretty good at free diving i.e. holding your breath.
 
So my question is this what is wrong/right with a quick release hook other than the fact you are stuffed if you lose it?
 
What also surprised me was that no harness had a good pocket in which to stash a good knife. The harness I got came with a safety knife that is only any good for cutting a webbing strap but useless otherwise.
I think the suggestion of an all in one harness and BA is really good. That way if you get trapped you can dump the lot in one go and swim out.
 
NickA - I did not see any harness with that type of hook.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 08 at 8:58am

There's no standard for uick release hooks- nothing saying how much load they should be able to take, or how much load they should be able to release under.

There is, however, supposedly an ISO standard in the works. Chances are current designs may well not meet that. If they re-introduce a rule requiring quick release, then it will almost certainly be to the ISO standard.

 

And I believe entrapments are more likely to involve ropes wrapped round distinctly non quick release limbs or the neck. Certainly, I've always found that if I get a bit stuck during a capsize (even on trapeze boats- though for now I hike) then it's a case of freeing my legs from the mainsheet. Other experience people?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 08 at 9:18am

The poor guy who died in the 4000 accident last year was trapped by his hook (on the lowers, if I recall rightly).

A q.r. hook might have saved him had he been able to release it (it might not have worked - the twisting load on the hook was enough to bend it). You also have to be in a position/state of mind to release it.

With the hook Nick A shows above, you don't get hooked in the first place. It's available in three forms (spreader and non-spreader) and is or was available from John Waddington  john[at]jwaddington9.wanadoo.co.uk

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Post Options Post Options   Quote simonjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 08 at 10:13am

I'm pleased my "beginner's" question has started a discussion.  Windsurfing hooks work fine in trapeze loops.

So: another silly question: why the shoulder straps on sailing harnesses?  My waist harness provides plenty of back support, doesn't ride up, is almost buckle-free, doesn't need strapping round my shoulders....what do they do?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 08 at 10:56am
Try trapezeing flat. If you're right out, they take a lot of weight.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote simonjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 08 at 12:19pm

Flat, arm above head, head getting wet.

  When windsurfing, I can take weight off my feet, body vertical, so if it was going to slip it would do it then.

Hope to do quite a bit of trapezing next week, on holiday with boats, so I'll report back.

Interesting, I thought I'd get a sort of " you can't do that, the surge tickler wont attach to the snaffle grommet" kind of answer, but nothing so definite, so far.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Aug 08 at 1:08pm

Try, when you're out flat, tightening the shoulder strap a bit, so it takes some of the weight.

 

Also, remember with back strain that it can sometimes strike without warning, but as a result of long term abuse.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 08 at 8:08am
Its when your flat wiring that the shoulder straps help.  I really feel the load on my lower back even with a dinghy harness on.  This is proabably becuase i  havntgot it up tight enough!
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