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    Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:39pm

How fast did the most recent ones actually go upwind and downwind? Does anyone know roughly.

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9 Knots upwind and downwind in almost any strength of breeze.

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So what is to stop a moth or a 49er competing in the old americas cup, was there are rule about minimum legnth or width?
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Minimum crew/weight maybe?
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Im not sure it would make sense to have a minimum crew weight, if they intended to race it in keelboats.

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Originally posted by 29er310

So what is to stop a moth or a 49er competing in the old americas cup, was there are rule about minimum legnth or width?


The old IACC rule makes for some pretty heavy reading but it was based around a formula controling length, displacement and sail area... As far as I know the latest generation boats were all close to 25m and around 24tonnes (the vast majority of which is in the bulb)

The new rule... well, I cant wait to see what it produces...
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Originally posted by 29er310

So what is to stop a moth or a 49er competing in the old americas cup, was there are rule about minimum legnth or width?

You forgot to ask how high they point. The answer is higher than pretty much anything else ever built. So forget about beating them around a W/L course in a dinghy.

As for rules, normally the rules are established by mutual consent. Lately this has meant an IACC boat http://www.americascup.com/multimedia/docs/2004/08/109206221 1_accv5.pdf. There are a whole set of minimum dimension and construction rules which would rule out a dinghy, although AFAIK there is not a minimum length.

In the current legal turmoil and lack of mutual consent, the original Deed of Gift for the Cup applies http://www.a3.org/ac2000_DeedofGift.html which amongst other things specifies a minimum waterline length of 44 feet.

Another thing that might put off a dinghy sailors is the 1M Euro "performance bond" entry fee. http://www.americascup.com/multimedia/docs/2004/08/109229955 0_terms_of_challenge.pdf

 

 



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On the subject of being able to point high, I was talking to the crew of the maltese falcon when it was moored near us in Antigua last Christmas, with the rotating masts they can sail at about 4 degrees to the wind!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bovlike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 08 at 1:49pm

By chance was it the 1st of April when they told you they can sail to 4degres from head to windů..

 

Maybe all the sail and mast designers have got it wrong and we should not have moved on from square riggers!

 

Are you sure you mean they can sail to 4 degrees to the wind or they can get there booms (if that is what they are called) to 4 degrees from the centre line of the boat???

 

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from the flag at the back they dont seem to be sailing to a very good VMG looks more like 90 degrees to the wind
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