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    Posted: 06 Apr 08 at 8:12pm

When is a boat 'sailing backwards' actually sailing backwards? The relevance of my question is when wind versus tide/current, and speed relative to other boats versus actual speed over the ground (water).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 08 at 8:44pm

Relative to the water.  So if moving backwards in the water, you are going backwards, if while sailing forwards(clue it that even), yet relative to the land, you are still SAILING forwards.  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote radixon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 08 at 10:21pm
Backwards sailing is when the boom is pushed out and you have wind on the opposite side of the sail.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Apr 08 at 3:30pm
The rules only talk about moving astern, not sailing backwards. Rule 20.3 only applies when a boat is moving astern by backing a sail.

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1 that moving astern means moving through the wate
2. that a boat required to keep clear because she is moving astern as a result of having backed a sail  is still obliged to keep clear even after the sail is no longer backed.

Remember, unless rule 20.3 applies the section A rules apply. The boat is still on either port or starboard tack even when sailng backwards, and a clear ahead boat can reverse into an overlap, resulting in the previously clear astern boat, if she bomes overlapped to leeward, becoming subject to a proper course restrivtion under rule 17.1.

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So if I'm on the start line, stall (happens a lot in light wind) and start moving backwards (unintentionally) I don't lose all rights? But if I back a sail to do it intentionally I do?

Is that overly simplistic?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 08 at 1:13pm
That's what the rule says! Note that whilst you may still have right of way over some boats you will also have an obligation to keep clear from others. Keeping clear is not easy when stalled and moving astern!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 08 at 6:05pm
But if you stall, then aren't you deemed to be above close hauled and therefore lose your rights ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 08 at 7:10pm
ive never heard that one before craiggo, is it something to do with proper course?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 08 at 8:21pm
Not sure. But if you luff above closed hauled at the start you lose any rights, its just a question of whether letting you sails out and stalling is deemed above close-hauled or not !

Sailing backwards and its effect on the rules has always caused me some headaches. I can remember trapping a competitor in between me and the committee boat at the Wilson Trophy and he tried to sail out of it by reveresing, I reversed to hold him and prevent him tacking behind me, and then when it became apparent that he was going to clear the transom of the committe boat I tacked off, gybed, cleared his transom and got a flying start while he tried to get going forwards. Others were trying similar tactics, but not sure if anyone really new where they stood with the results
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