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Originally posted by JimC

I just looked up PY numbers... is the RS700 20 points faster than the Musto Skiff as the numbers suggest?
The Musto skiff number isn't actually far off the trial number we've worked out for the new spinnaker-free 50kg Canoes...

This MPS & 700 PY's are an age old debate.

There has only been 2 events where any number of boats have raced each other and that is the tide ride ...

http://www.mustoskiff.com/reports-and-news/2006/tide-ride.ht m

Both were pretty much a MPS whitewash. But was that the boat or the level of skill in the fleet?

My personal view is that the 700 PY should be raised to match the MPS.

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]My personal view is that the 700 PY should be raised to match the MPS.

But the 700 number has got as far as secondary status, which mean its got a lot more statistical validity than the Musto Skiff one which is a trial number. That means that either/both more races are being done in 700s or/and the numbers recorded are much closer together (and probably both). So its more likely to be correct to drop the Musto Skiff number to match the 700 one [he said, with large stirring stick in hand].
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We have a few of each at Chw, and they seem very evenly matched.  Possibly the Musto's are a tiny bit faster, but they all finish mixed up in a bunch . But it is hard to judge the crew skill factor.  On a side issue - if the Musto only has an (RYA supplied) trial number is that really any more valid than the foiling Moths guessing their own PY?  Should Musto's be allowed at the Bloody Mary?!  (Stirring the pot a bit more...)
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Guest#260

]My personal view is that the 700 PY should be raised to match the MPS.

But the 700 number has got as far as secondary status, which mean its got a lot more statistical validity than the Musto Skiff one which is a trial number. That means that either/both more races are being done in 700s or/and the numbers recorded are much closer together (and probably both). So its more likely to be correct to drop the Musto Skiff number to match the 700 one [he said, with large stirring stick in hand].

I can't believe I am getting sucked into this ....

In theory that would be correct but I am afraid practice tells us otherwise ...

the PY system if OK for fun racing but as you often point out crew skill factor is the key element.

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Originally posted by acidsalior

Wat bout the hydrofoilers? 600ff or a moth. OR get a low rider then buy the foils separate after getting used to the boat?
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Your budget will get you a more competitive RS600FF than a foiling Moth of the same price. The 600 is a one design so as long as it's in good condition it will be up to speed. You can get a foiling Moth for under 4k, there's one on the Moth site for 3600, but it's a 14 year old design so although it will foil it won't be competitive once you master it, so be prepared to have to sell it and buy a more up to date design at some point.

 I think the jury's still out on which is harder to sail and they seem to be similar in performance in breeze, with the Moths foiling earlier in lighter winds, but the best advice for either boat is start with a lowrider then either convert to foils or trade up. It's a lot easier to convert a 600 to foils than a Moth as the 600 has a ready to assemble kit that just requires basic drilling and bolting, but to convert an old Moth you need to customise everything to fit.

 

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I don't know much about your sailing experience but you sound very ambitious. Maybe start off with the 600 and once you've got the hang of it you could sail pretty much anything from there.    
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Nothing wrong with being ambitious!

Do it - getting wet doesn't hurt (much)

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Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

I don't know much about your sailing experience but you sound very ambitious. Maybe start off with the 600 and once you've got the hang of it you could sail pretty much anything from there.

You could say that! I dont mind jumping in at the deep end. I sail as much as possible and even take the bus when i cant get a lift. That means getting up at around 8 which is alot for a 16 year old!

Also for me it is never too windy.. except for that time when we capped took down the main and still capsized with the jib furled.    That woz scary!
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The boats you are looking to buy i hate to say will / culd become very exspensive if you're not careful!
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You take the bus? With common people on it???

That is dedication  

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