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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 08 at 9:41am
There's a fair few people at my club gone for the 700 on a fairly practical basis- it's a lot cheaper than a Musto...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 08 at 10:13am
Originally posted by turnturtle

not quite so black and white Jim,

Mate, I'm just quoting the figures... According to the numbers the 700 has had more boats in its Champs every year which looks pretty black and white to me. I agree that the Musto has more boats overseas, but we all know that so far RS haven't been able to sell boats outside the UK: its not necessarilly a criticism of the boat.

I haven't got a horse in this race since you wouldn't catch me in either. So who's fudging and interpreting? And come to think of it I've never regarded number of boats at the Champs as that important, but presumably you do judging by the sore place I seem to have pressed...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chew my RS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 08 at 10:14am
They sent the 300s and 600s in just so three boats could have a sail???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 08 at 10:20am
Originally posted by turnturtle

further examples of 'fudging the figures' can be seen following results release from the 700 inlands in 2007:

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=139393

Anyone reading probably interpretated that there was actually a fourth boat entered....

As you know, the article was written very tomgue-in-cheek. The event was in Northampton, it was the second attempt (it was cancelled the first time round because of lack of wind) and it was blowing a gale! No wonder hardly anyone turned up Smile

The Europeans this year are in Garda and there should be a pretty good turnout, from the UK and other countries.

The Musto Skiff is a great boat and I'd love to have a go one day but, to start with a high performance asymmetric single-hander, the RS700 seems to be a slightly cheaper option that can deliver just as much fun!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 08 at 10:25am

Bad case of irony, I reckon... and it's true that the RS700 Nationals this year in Torbay were better attended than they have been in the past.

As for not selling abroad, there are a few RS700s in France. The French guys can't believe how cheap second-boats are in the UK and they are building the fleet over there.

700 or MPS... If one day I manage to handle either of those, I'd be very proud of myself!!  

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Also depends on what part of the country you sail as there is a large amount of 700s down on the south coast compared to the mps. the chances of you finding a mps in your budget is pretty slim so i'd go go for the 700 on the basis that you might be waiting a long time for musto's to come down to your price range!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 08 at 1:15pm
I'm loosing count of the number of Musto skiffs vs RS700 arguments that have appeared on here, and am wondering why you guys havnt already read the previous discussions.

The comment about moving up from a 700 to a Musto Skiff, is not correct. Most of the guys who moved from the 700 to the Musto Skiff have done so because at their clubs a Musto Skiff fleet has grown where the 700 hasnt, or they just felt like a change of scenary. The Skiff has a couple of benefits, 1) it has a cleaner deck layout, 2) the wings are fixed and 3) with the likes of Sten, offering his help to the whole fleet the standard is pretty high, but in terms of sailing the boats there is little in it. Both have their quorks, and require the same skill level to sail them.
Just because the RS700 is a cheaper buy second hand does not mean the boat is crap, it just makes it easier to join the fleet. The support from RS is very good, as is the support from Victor if you have a skiff. The only point of notice really is that I would say the RS socials tend to be a bit better ! From many years of experience sailing my 600 & 700 at circuit events the RS fleet generally camp everywhere they go and make extensive use of the clubs bar in the evening. From the events I did in the 49er which were shared with the Skiffs, everyone stays in B&Bs and had half a shandy before turning in for the night leaving a rather stale, bored feeling and couldnt have been great for the host clubs either.

From my point of view ( and I have expressed it in previous discussions on this subject), There is little to choose between the two. If you have at least 5k to spend and you can find one, the Skiff is great and I would have been happy to have bought one instead of my 700. In my case however regularly recovering my boat onto a lee shore is easier without having to undo the cunningham hook, opening the halyard bag, pulling one side of the foot over the boom and dropping the main carefully so as not to put the kicker through it, while keeping the boat head to wind in a narrow tidal inlet just off of the slipway. On the 700 I swing the boat up into wind, ease all the control lines, yank the halyard out of the cleat pull the sail down, bear away and jump out onto the slipway, easy.

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Wat bout the hydrofoilers? 600ff or a moth. OR get a low rider then buy the foils separate after getting used to the boat?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 08 at 3:36pm
I just looked up PY numbers... is the RS700 20 points faster than the Musto Skiff as the numbers suggest?
The Musto skiff number isn't actually far off the trial number we've worked out for the new spinnaker-free 50kg Canoes...
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