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    Posted: 01 Jan 05 at 10:51am

What classes do you think will be given a new lease of life in 2005?

Which new classes will emerge to be succesful?

Which classes will be 6ft under this time next year?

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2005's big class will be the Fireball, having their Nationals/Euros, then Worlds in the UK in August. It's pretty much too late to buy a new one for the event now, apparently. Should be a good couple of weeks.

I know a whole host of classes which SHOULD be 6 foot under this time next year, but they probably won't be. That's another story though.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 05 at 6:44pm

Sadly I think it'll be the newer high perfomance classes which fade.  So although I sail one I think it'll be gone in a few years whereas the 5o5 and say Osprey will still be sailed by a few diehards.  Take the RS800 as an example, its a fabulous boat and very popular for its type but when technology allows the owners will move on to something even faster and the class will decline.  Osprey owners clearly aren't interested in technology even though they are interested in performance.

The Fireball will be interesting, its not really fast by todays standards but the owners do continue to develop the boat and it is very popular.

Sadly I feel there is little hope for the FD and the Hornet - just not fast enough, but I can't claim to be in touch and no doubt this message will excite some of the owners.

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In general terms Redback is probably right.

However new FRP Ospreys are being built this year (hoorah!) and carbon spars are being trialled; 505's seem to be creeping back up the ladder...a very fast boat; Fireballs are having their Worlds etc in the UK this year.  If you order a new Fireball now, you wont get it in time for the Worlds because the order books are full.  FD's are big all over Europe, and are very fast.  Hornets.... hmmm they seem to keep themselves to themselves but there are a surprising number around and racing.

All of these classes will be at the Symmetric Grand Prix at Rutland in October for loads of laughs and racing.  Many of them are doing combined events around the country before that. 5o5 Worlds are in Europe (Travemunde)  this year at the same time as the Javelin Europeans.

There is a lot of cross fertilisation between all these classes, so they kind of support each other.  Check out www.fastsail.org

People sail them because they like the boats for what they are, (plus they are all pretty damn quick).

 

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ith ink redbacks got it there, if a boats appeal is new technology, fast etc. then that'll bring it down in the end, when the new faster, better, cheaper boats come out.

THe prophet has spoken.

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yeah, people will only buy the RS800 while it is the cutting edge, when newer and faster boats come out then it will be forgotten

Long live the cheap boats! (except the topper!)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 05 at 9:50pm
I must say Fastsail seems like a good idea.  If I weren't so in love with my Laser4000 I'd seriously think about one of the Fastsail boats.  What I'm trying to say is that Fastsail makes its adopted classes even more attractive.  I wonder about the 470 though, has it got a future?
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I guess so long as the 470 remains an Olympic class then it must have a future of sorts, but in general club terms I really don't know.  It's not a bad boat as such and I do know that people seek out ones to buy on the second hand market.  Maybe the the last Olympics will give it a revival this year? I know the people who sail them seem to be pretty damn good, just not a lot of them, and the class doesn't get pushed alot outside of the Olympic squad type of activity.

I have to admit I nearly bought a 4000 last year (in addition to the Osprey), but was headed off at the pass by my dear wife, who doesn't understand boat greed at all.

At my club, alot of people are buying L2000's.  Mainly families who want to race. I think its only downfall is that although you can fit a trapeze, it's not "in class" for racing.  Seems a bit of a shame really.

I think as in every sport there is a kind of levelling going on at the moment. My guess is that we'll get more people coming into the sport but they'll just be spread across all the classes.  I think you have to think of dinghy ownership a bit like classic cars.  There'll always be someone there to keep a few afloat no matter what.  Not saying that's a good or bad thing, just my feeling.

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Now which boats are going to endure?  Since the Laser2000 has been mentioned, I'd say this is a boat which has found a good niche.  It's a bit like the Enterprise.  Not too heavy and a little bit lively and because they are "off the peg" ideal for training and club ownership.  In fact our club has bought 2 to hire out for racing and for training, however I'm told they are a little too lively for training. I think they are a boat which will endure. 

We have also bought 2 Feva's for the same purpose but they are less successful.  We thought they'd be attractive to young teens and we thought they were a good boat encompassing many of the qualities of the Topax and Pico but a bit more racey.  The mylar sails however are fragile and do not tolerate the misuse they get from the inexperienced.  I believe woven sails are available, but the boats have been a dissapointment.

The Osprey has already endured and now they are contemplating a carbon rig.  As long as its not very expensive I think this is the way to go.  This is something a strict one design like a Laser4000 would find difficult to do (and ironically this would be a particularly effective mod to a 4000).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 05 at 8:28am
brian i doubt the 29er will be around for ages, itll prob. be dead by the time you've even sailed one!
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