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    Posted: 14 Dec 04 at 12:30pm

Hi,

In a few years i would like to buy a second hand international moth and was wondering a few things:

I obviously wouldnt start off using foils so are moths still fast when they dont have foils??

I am only about 75 kilograms so am i heavy enough for one (my sailing club seems to hardly ever have below a force 2/3)???

Are they INCREDIBLY hard boats to sail???

As they are a development class if you only want to use them for club racing and not at a hugely competetive level can you get some fairly cheap boats (if so what sort of price)

And lastly do things break easily on them because if things were constantly breaking i would not be able to afford to keep one going!

 

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Originally posted by Wave Rider

In a few years i would like to buy a second hand international moth and was wondering a few things: I obviously wouldnt start off using foils so are moths still fast when they dont have foils??


Yep.

Originally posted by Wave Rider

I am only about 75 kilograms so am i heavy enough for one (my sailing club seems to hardly ever have below a force 2/3)???


Yep

Originally posted by Wave Rider

Are they INCREDIBLY hard boats to sail???


Yep, but well worth the effort. (And much easier than they used to be with T foils, carbon masts and so on)

Originally posted by Wave Rider

As they are a development class if you only want to use them for club racing and not at a hugely competetive level can you get some fairly cheap boats (if so what sort of price)


Yep - see Moth website

Originally posted by Wave Rider

And lastly do things break easily on them because if things were constantly breaking i would not be able to afford to keep one going!


If you have a good one and treat it carefully they're fine. If you bash it round like a club Laser you'll have trouble. If you buy an old cheap one you'll get to learn how to fix things cheaply - there's plenty of support and help in the class, they're a friendly bunch. They're not hugely expensive boats to run on the whole.

Suggest you joing the Int-Moth egroup on Yahoo and check out the class website.

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Well I'm a failed ex-Int-Moth sailor. Quite a few years ago I bought a cheap old Magnum 6 (which was about the last "wide" design). It was OK in F2/3 and I never tried it in more. It was an absolute pig in light airs - no inherent stability and if you capsized in the light stuff, it was incredibly hard to get back on the boat without pulling it in on top of you. Climbing into the stern didn't seem to help either. I would have called myself a reasonable club-level singlehanded helm at the time, getting a few wins at club level in my Europe, but I found the Moth very tough. I rapidly concluded I preferred sailing to swimming and sold it on.

I would still love to sail one if I was in the position of putting the many hours in on the water to practice before even considering racing. But are they incredibly hard to sail? I would say yes, compared to the vast majority of other classes.

Are you heavy enough at 75kg? You are probably too heavy. I may be out of date, but around 60kg or even less used to be ideal. You really need to talk to people in the class.

Do things break easily on them? I would say yes. They are very lightly built indeed.

Price? You can pick up old Moths for a few 100 which will be sailable at club level. New boats don't have a long competitive life on the open circuit so they depreciate fast. Therefore second-hand Moths are cheap.

 

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Ok thanks,

 

Also you say how very unstable they are like most boats when you start travelling fast are they a lot more stable?????

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If you fancy a boat of that type, why not try an RS300? Designed by a Moth man, they are the way Moths where before they got too extreme for normal people(IMHO). Prices are low and dropping, about 1650 will get you a good one, and they're bullet-proof. They aren't easy to sail, but I came straight into one after 12 years not sailing dinghies, and I came back cos I was too injured to sail boards anymore, so they're not out of reach! It's a nice friendly class, too. 75 kg is enough for the big rig, but within range for the small rig, which is much easier if you aren't confident. They rate almost exactly the same as the non foil moth, and they are so responsive and fast!!
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probably because an RS 300 is pig ugly!
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I think they look great! Try one some time, they Rock!

Well, sometimes they roll, or wobble, or nosedive, but generally, they Rock!

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Originally posted by Wave Rider

Also you say how very unstable they are like most boats when you start travelling fast are they a lot more stable?????

They are more stable in F2/3 than in F0/1. Beyond that, I never found out!

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I only capsized the 300 in one competative race last year, and that was the winter champs at QMSC(gusting force 6), and I sailed quite a lot! It does get easier if you keep moving.
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on the subject of international moths, how much is it to build a hull ofr one from carbon??? Im thinking next year of building one so I can use it in my A2 physics coursework!!

I was thinking of getting a National twelve or merlin mast or maybe even making one out of pre peg carbon. Then getting a windsurf sail.

Has anyone else done this, if you have how hard was it?

PS i dont know the design name but its the one were you make sheets of carbon foam sandwich then put it together afterwards.

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