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smurfer
Newbie Joined: 23 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 33 |
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Topic: New ISAF rule on quick release harnesses. Posted: 10 Dec 04 at 9:00am |
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I was thinking the shackle would be between the trapeze wire and the loop/eye, so if the loop and hook get tangled just release the whole lot. You would of course need a shackle on each wire... gets expensive doesnt it.... ok, not such a bright idea
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Contender443
Really should get out more Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 04 at 12:02pm | |
The whole point here is the hook on the harness, which can get snagged on either the trapeze wire or other parts of the boat. It is the other parts of the boat that are worrying - these can include shrouds, control ropes, toestraps, centre mainsheet towers (the swivel jammer from holt looks particularily dangerous see http://www.holtallen.com/holt/wire.html) etc So look round your boat and think where you could get caught - either don't have a hook on your harness (Bethwaite system) or be sure you can get out of your harness quickly by releasing the hook or unbuckling the harness. Knives are worthless if you get caught on some wire and I would not like to try and cut away the harness. But they do have their uses - you may be able to help free someone else for example. Does anyone have a preferred type of knive?
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hurricane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 04 at 5:56pm | |
one that doesnt go rusty !!! the typhoon one, is good i have had one on myelf for the last 2 years and it hasnt gone rusty at all!! |
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Claymore
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 11 Dec 04 at 12:10am | |
Got myself the RRK one recently, some surface rust but still very sharp.
Sheath easy to locate on boat or bouyancy aid depending on what I'm sailing. |
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bigwavedave
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 05 at 6:30pm | |
I posted the following on the ISAF forum Could the ISAF please define exactly what a quick release harness system is? Is the ball and socket joint type sufficient for the new rules? What if a stopper knot gets caught in the keyhole? How quick is quick? If you can release all the buckles on your harness does that count? Perhaps the ISAF could provide a list of systems that will fit the new rules. And got this reply Your request for further information would require an interpretation of the Racing Rules of Sailing. The process for requesting an interpretation is for your Member National Authority, the Royal Yachting Association, to request such an interpretation directly to ISAF. Thats helpful! |
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Matt Jackson
Really should get out more Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 05 at 11:52am | |
I have contacted the RYA myself and their response wasn't much better, the system for an ordinary sailor to change the course of the racing rules is extremely long-winded. I suspect it has fairly limited results which is why we need to speak up now by contacting the RYA and makig it clear that we are concerned about this new ruling. I for one, don't want an 'interpretation' to this rule I want my chosen sport to remain as free as it was when I was growing up. |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 05 at 12:00pm | |
If you go offshore racing, you have to conform with reams of safety equipment requirements which get tighter every couple of years. It hasn't killed off the sport. I'm afraid I can't see what all the fuss is about.
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redback
Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jan 05 at 10:44pm | |
I object to this rule in particular. The hook is something every trapeze sailor is aware of, they know where it is and can unsnag it with their eyes closed. The only entrapement tradgedy that can be attributed to the hook was when a Tornado crew got caught under a tramp. A knife would have freed that person. There are may other ways a person can get trapped but nobody is doing anthing about that. I have nearly drowned by getting snagged by a buckle, I know of various other sailing accidents. Rarely is the hook the culprit, this rule is a knee jerk reaction and must be stopped or we will all drown in a sea of regulations which are ill considered. I'm all for safety but this rule will have negligeable affect, cause inconvenience and expense and a false sense of security. |
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Matt Jackson
Really should get out more Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 05 at 12:43pm | |
With respect, that's a bit of schoolyard argument - 'Our branch of the sport has lots of regulations so yours should as well!' Off-shore racing is very different to dinghy racing and part of why I don’t sail big boats is the amount of organisation required – of which meeting safety regulations is part. Sure this one rule (and probably the 'ream' of rules to follow) won't kill off the sport but it will make it more expensive for no obvious reason. Is that a good thing?
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ssailor
Far too distracted from work Joined: 11 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 430 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 12:41pm | |
I also feel that the rule should be overviewed as I have never been
caught by my hook, having read the article on the tornado incident it
explains that neither of the crew or any of the people on the rescue
boat were carrying knifes, which may well have saved the man from
drowing.
Surely if its the hooks that are so deadly how come hardly anyone has serious problems on the 18ft skiffs which have cargo netting between the racks(perfect for catching a hook on). The new QR hooks are a briliant idea however they are expensive especially when you already own a harness, last year my helm borrowed a QR harness and as he lent in to grab the main after dropping it his buoyancy aid undid the QR! this could be interesting if happened with a rib following behind or in a close situation (i.e port-starboard duck). Obviously the new designs will be developed but personally i feel that we should choose when we purchase new gear! |
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