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Scooby_simon
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Topic: New ISAF rule on quick release harnesses. Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 3:27pm |
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My firm belief is that the ISAF have made a major error eith this rule and so are desperatly trying to dis-own it. If they give an interpretation, and then someone follows this and then gets trapped(and dies or gets hurt) they are in trouble. All the time they say noting, they can fudge it, and pass it onto the local (RYA) to issue something. The RYA (rightly in my view as this is a VERY BAD RULE) will not comment. This rule is a disaster. Someone got trapped and died, and this is a knee jerk action. |
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bigwavedave
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 4:35pm | |
If you have not already, register with ISAF and then you can post your thoughts about this on their own forum. I have started a thread there. With enough pressure we may get a response.
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lozza
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 4:53pm | |
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*GM*
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 7:26pm | |
http://www.sailing.org/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?Forum ID=2&TopicID=258&PagePosition=1 You have to register to see it though. The helpful <cough> comments from ISAF are from one Luissa Smith, the ISAF Director of Development and Information. One hopes she's better at development than she is at information... |
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Scooby_simon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 8:53pm | |
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Garry
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 9:36pm | |
Am I naive in thinking the RYA should be championing this on our behalf! Although looking at the last voting information most of the committee seem to be big boat sailors!
In seriousness carrying a knife might actually be a better safety strategy and... could stop helms abusing their crews Has anyone spoken to harness manufacturers? What about every trapeze class stand displaying (in large print/posters) something like "New Harness Rule ill considered - Is the RYA doing anything?" at the dinghy show? |
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Scooby_simon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 9:49pm | |
now there is a good idea |
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Blobby
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jan 05 at 4:18am | |
Read your Y&Y - the RYA is doing something. They are collecting data and proving that dying as a result of your trapeze harness causing entrapment is a miniscule risk, so we don't need to bother doing anything. (Mulit mad column, Jan 7th). Personally I have written to Y&Y and said this is fine but surely the wrong approach. ISAF will respond saying "the risk may be miniscule but somebody died and it is something that could be prevented so taking action is correct". After all, if a professional sailor is issued with a harness by his employer or sponsor, it then falls under the Health & Safety at Work Act and big money lawyers get involved with prosectutions etc etc. End result - trapeze harnesses are inherently unsafe and therefore trapezing should be made illegal...(maybe a slight exageration but not much!) The fact is there are better solutions - but none are visible in the market place except the Bethwaite ball + socket harness (which will not comply with the new rule as far as I can tell). The best solution is to prevent the trapeze hook catching on something in the first place. Having knives or quick release hooks to get released after getting caught is basically a last resort. |
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Matt Jackson
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jan 05 at 8:13am | |
... and completely useless if you happen to be unconcious - a side-effect of the drowning process I'm told.
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catmandoo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jan 05 at 1:18pm | |
As we all know ISAF are losing the plot on this one .
It's interesting to consider wether the unfortunate trapped Tornado sailor would have benefitted from less bouyancy and being able to move in the water more easily , pehaps without the bouyancy I assume he was wearing , he may have been able to get free. Similarily in other situations where harnesses get caught , surely the constant upwards force from wearing extra bouyancy must tighten line etc and make it far harder to disentangle from underwater rigging . Most people in dinghy sailing gear are positive bouyant through air in neoprene , clothing , drysuits etc without the excesses of an aid , after all humans are just about bouyant with no help .
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