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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 07 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by gordon



I firmly believe that ISAF should insist that Laser Radial sails are clearly distinguished from Laser Standard sails.

Gordon


They are, Laser Radial sails have a blue clew and a blue head and are cut differently so quite easy to tell apart IMO.

Also for club racing it is down to the club to decide whether or not they will allow swapping of rigs. Most clubs I know of promote sailing rather than stick rigorously to every rule.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 07 at 5:21pm
Tiny sailmaking details are not really the same as marking Radial in big letters on Laser Radial sails. Pity the poor RO in bad visibility. The problem really arises when sails are passed around between comptitors in club racing and you end up with 2 identical sail numbers, or when boat sails with one rig on calm days and the other on windy days!

All other classes are distinguished clearly by letters, numbers or logos - why should the two most active single-handed fleets be an exception
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stuarthop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 07 at 9:11pm
at our club to race ssingle handed in a double hander they take 50 points off your py to try and stop you leaving the crew behind

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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 07 at 8:27am
Gordon,

We have never had a problem distinguishing between a Radial and full rig. Perhaps having a 'spotter' on the team who can identify those who are using different rigs and comparing them to the sign on sheet. Also if you have 2 people with the same sail no. then they should be DSQ'd as sail should be clearly and uniquely identifiable.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote andymck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 07 at 10:26pm

The Laser issue is easy, you are a full rig, unless you make it clear on the sign up sheet. If you change down because its windy, you still get the big rig handicap if you want to count it for the series. The rig you sign on with is the biggest you can use.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jun 07 at 4:15pm

to chuck a bit more into the mix, can you change handicaps for boats that reef? for example if a GP 14 one day sailed with all its sails but the next decided its too windy and reefed the main do you give it a different handicap?

just a hypothetical situation.

and whilst on the subject of reefing, is there a seperate PY for the 600 with a tiny rig?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 07 at 5:58am

The laser 'singlehander' class rules (ILCA) state;

7 (a) "The Laser shall be raced with either one or two persons aboard"

"When two persons race a Laser they shall race together throughout the entire race or series of races without alternating at the helm"

In  the same context of the original thread, a 'singlehanded' laser can be raced (in class) two up! Since it is in class, then the normal PY would apply.

It does however prevent you (in a series) from taking a second person out only on the windy days!

Personally, I would find a second person in a Laser on a windy day more of a liability than a help!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tack'ho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 07 at 11:01am
May I ask what design the Nat 12 is, if its a pipedream or a paperdart I suggest you tell him to put his new handicap in his pipe (see what I've done there?) and smoke it!  The difference between the new and old boats in only really pronounced on open water, paticularly if he has an up to date rig!
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The National 12 Owners Association does give suggested PY numbers for older boats for club handicap racing but it is entirely up to the clubs to wether they decide to use them or not (as indeed with all published PY numbers). Tack'ho is correct that many of the older deisigns can be at least as quick as the some of the newer ones on rivers and little lakes. If your guy is winning anyway there seems no need to make any adjustyment. This should not preclude you from considering adjustments for other classes in view of their suitability or otherwise for your bit of water. A 420 for instance would probably need to be given a bit of an advantage to compete with a N12 in your conditions.

The decision on PY for double handers sailing single handed should be viewed in the same way. It is tricky whenin light winds the double handers will probably gain a bit from their reduced weight although they will probably tack more slowly than when two up and when the wind blows they could struggle.

Flexibility is perhaps the key - maintaining some flexibility could help. Perhaps your club could apply different PYs for single or double handed if its an issue?

 

 

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