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Yes I do have trouble with Wayfarers.  There are a few at the club and then when I go off to the Medway there are quite a few there.  I have nothing against them though I would caution everybody - the have the biggest, slowest moving, wind shadow.

Good advice from the cat sailors - I should shout a lot more.  As for bearing away beneath the N12 - it wasn't going to be necessary and we were close to the top mark and so I wanted to pop out in front of all the slower boats and tack for it.

More anticipation is required on my part especially as this particular occasion was on my home reservior which isn't really big enough for a 4000.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 04 at 3:11pm

If it is too small it must be fun for the RS700's you have there? 1 person , 1 boat, 1 trapeze, 2 sails blocking the view of the one pair of eyes on board and gusty conditions on a small reservoir. Is this not e recipe for carnage?

Then we are back to the safety issue of mixing conventional and assymetric.

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He has my admiration - his boat handling is fantastic.  In truth he's only here occasionally and spends some of his time at Eastbourne and on the circuit.  He is a truly awesome sailor and during our Laser Open he borrowed a boat and won all five races.  His name is Andy Peake.

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Take a look at Rule 64.1(b), which provides for exoneration of fouls caused by a third boat breaking a rule.  After starboard (S) began her tack, she was obligated to keep clear of both port tack boats. When she reached a close-hauled course, S was a windward boat, and was still obligated to stay clear of both of the port-tack leeward boats.

So protest S, and if PL protests, be prepared to argue that it was necessary (for PW) to alter course to avoid the collision, and that the contact was caused by S's failure to stay clear, rather than by (PW's) inattention.

Remember also that when S crossed ahead of PW and PL, she was an obstruction, and so PL was obligated to give PW enough room to pass astern of S.

 

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Don't forget that there is NO requirement to call for water - i.e the boat to leeward should be keeping as much attention on the stbd tacker (and keeping clear...) as the windward L4000!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 04 at 7:08pm

It seems I (the Laser4000) is exonerated.  That's good news since being in the faster boat I often find myself steaming into a situation which then suddenly gets complicated.

Sailing a fast boat like a 4000 is difficult but also onerous.  Inertia (momentum) is proportional to the square of speed so a collision with a 4000 is likely to be very distructive.  Also being an assymetric there is a distinct blind spot to leeward.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Garry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 04 at 8:43pm
While not the case here don't forget you have to give the other boats) the opportunity to keep clear but can assume the other boat(s) will be handled in a seaman like way!

Unless the situation is very clear and you have witnesses a protest is a bit too much of a lottery. It would be much better if everyone (while pushing the rule boundaries) acted in a sporting way!
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Correct

Originally posted by rogerd

If I understand correctly. Starboard tacker then becomes windward boat. Did not leave enough room to complete his manouvre therefore in the wrong. Faster boat correctly attempts to avoid collision and touches both. Starboard tacker should do turns. Not sure about the others. My humble oppinion I expect there are some sailing lawyers who will prove me wrong.

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