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    Posted: 13 Oct 04 at 12:22pm
Who is to blame?  2 boats on port tack (the faster but less pointy one to windward) pass across the stern of a starboard tacker.  The starboard tacker then tacks to port, fluffs it and bears away a bit, thus trapping the fast boat between the tacker and the leeward boat.  The fast boat could have maintained his course and knocked a chunk out of the tacking boat but instead tried to slip between but in fact touched both with no damage.
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If I understand correctly. Starboard tacker then becomes windward boat. Did not leave enough room to complete his manouvre therefore in the wrong. Faster boat correctly attempts to avoid collision and touches both. Starboard tacker should do turns. Not sure about the others. My humble oppinion I expect there are some sailing lawyers who will prove me wrong.

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yeah i would say starboard tacker is in the wrong.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 04 at 11:37pm

2 parts to this.

First Starbaord tacker has fouled in the process of manovering while the other 2 are trying to keep clear.

 

Second, assuming the Windward of the 2 port tackers has called for water to avoid, then there is (some) onus for the slow boat to give enough room for the fast port tacker to avoid the (manovering) stbd tacker.

Fairly sure about my first point, not so sure about the second. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 04 at 3:35pm

Redback which boat were you.

Scooby Windward boat could have called for room to avoid collision but ther isnt always time for the calls. Collision avoidance is the overiding rule and if he had nowhere to go then minimal damage is the next best option.

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Originally posted by rogerd

Redback which boat were you.

Scooby Windward boat could have called for room to avoid collision but ther isnt always time for the calls. Collision avoidance is the overiding rule and if he had nowhere to go then minimal damage is the next best option.

 

Yes, I kinda assumed fast would have called for water to avoid.  There should always be time for calls as you should always be looking for these kinds of problems in advance (esp in a cat when (in some wind) you never drop below 12 kts except when t or g)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 04 at 10:00am

Yes I was in the fast boat (Laser4000).  The boat to leeward was a N12 and the one to windward a Wayfarer.

One of the problems of sailing a fast boat is that everybody underestimates (including the fast boat) how quickly situations can change, and if you have to bear away a bit, even more so.  Coming as we did from behind and having to sail a little free to get around the starboard tacker meant that the N12 didn't realise we were there until we were.  Also it all happened so quick that we didn't get a chance to hail.  No damage done and we seem agreed that the Wayfarer was in the wrong.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 04 at 11:20am
Redback, give PLENTY of warning.  From sailing Hurricanes and (now) I17 where you are travelling quick when there is breeze I am trying to estimate what boats 500mtrs away may be doing in 30 seconds time.  It may not be explicity mentioned in the rules, but it can be an idea to let people know you are there and going much faster than they are and that you may require room for a STBD boat in a while. 
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Redback - you seem to be having lots of fun with Wayfarers!!
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Could the fast boat have ducked the slower leeward boat?

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