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davidyacht
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Topic: Not seen at the show Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 6:16pm |
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Having been one of the pioneering assymetric I14 sailors, and having sailed RS400s and RS200s around their inception it always struck me that their power to weight ratios missed the point if not the joy of soaking down and apparent wind sailing. To be fair to the RS200 and the RS400, these are well engineered and marketed boats, which have done much to keep dinghy sailors engaged with the sport, but I do think that symmetrical kites, particularly when combined with twin poles are a good solution. The base of the pyramid of sailing waters was much stronger when there were thriving clubs on every River reach and gravel pit, sadly the development of many of the RS, ISO and Laser products, which jumped on the assymetric bandwagon, were unsuitable for the heartlands of dinghy sailing. Having said all that, ICON 2 looks quite nice, and if it is light enough might be a better ride than a 400, not that we will ever find out!
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 6:48pm | |
The "of this type" comment is interesting. If the type is "3 sailed sitting out dinghy", then this boat is in there with Merlins, Larks, the 400, 2000 and all sorts of other things. Even the Mirror. We know from posts on here how varied a selection of boats people consider.
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 7:02pm | |
The 400 is just the obvious comparison. Somebody ought to be trying to compete with it, it's been around quite a long time, surely we can improve on something designed that long ago? I imagine the schools and colleges you speak of will be racing these boats? |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 7:18pm | |
As iGRF has said on several occasions about various boats, losing 30 or 40 kg's would make the 400 a better boat in many ways. It would be livelier, quicker to plane, more exciting to sail but also less stable and requiring of a higher skill level. It would also be more expensive and/or more fragile.
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 7:29pm | |
It would also be a damned site easier to launch and recover, I know of at least one complete crew thinking this might be the last season of hauling the great fat arse that s an RS400 across the beach.. RS need to take an Aero blowtorch to it.
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 9:33pm | |
You can get a 36ft open water carbon kevlar rowing gig cheaper than an RS400 hull. But I'm not talking about making the 400 a better boat. The 400 is the 400 end of. I'm talking about making a better boat that fulfils a similar role. You don't design a car today by tweaking a Rover 25. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 9:46pm | |
Maybe not a Rover 25 but a Healey 3000 built with carbon fibre and modern running gear, brakes and engine; 250 BHP and weighing 900kg would be wonderful......
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Mar 18 at 9:47pm | |
But I get where you're coming from, the RS400 is what it is and is successful because of that Change it and it's something different (like a modern Supernova)........
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Mar 18 at 12:41am | |
Look we only revealed a few details for interest since it was developed here in the UK ... Don't take what we are doing with Venom so seriously guys.
This thread is in Y&Y 'dinghy development' category thread and since we are now doing the final bit openly and at a regular SC it seemed logical just to be a bit more open about it. If you like what we are doing or are just curious / interested fine .. if not don't get too up tight about it. You may never get to sail one or even against one ... but depending on exactly where you are, you never know one day, you just might .... . Edited by Cirrus - 10 Mar 18 at 12:44am |
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Mar 18 at 6:53am | |
Maybe even with some fake carbon like a chav bonnet wrap? |
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