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Neal_g
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Topic: Oh the righteous Posted: 25 Dec 17 at 10:22pm |
So following the high and mighty about the laser class and replica sails vs class legal sails and them not being the same boat and not being allowed to race.
How is this for a teaser So we now have the standard sail Mark 2 radial cut. So does this make the original Mark 1 sail now not class legal. Because to be fair it's what they are promoting and surely a heavily restricted one design single manufacturer class couldn't possibly have 2 differing sail cuts and be the same. Let alone be made by different companies on different continents. Let alone 2 recognised sail makers on norths and hydes. For different markets. So about time surely the competition commission needs to be involved as clearly these companies have a monopoly situation for these classes. Discuss away Edited by Neal_g - 25 Dec 17 at 10:23pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 10:23am |
The problem with SMODs (of which the L@ser is the ultimate) is that it's the manufacturer who decides what is class legal or not, not the sailors (or their representatives running the CA). This means that all decisions are made for the benefit of the shareholders to increase profitability rather than to improve the boat......
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Neptune
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 11:08am |
Laser sails last a matter of months, its not a long term problem
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 11:13am |
Their are already a number of different sized sails and masts, this is just another developement, new sail and new mast.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 11:50am |
But the different rigs are all considered different classes, mk1 and mk2 sails are the same class...
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 3:48pm |
Is it any different from allowing the XD controlled boats and old kicker ones to race together? Classes which banned all the old kit would soon wither and die.
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Paramedic
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 4:18pm |
I don't for a moment think that Laser actually wanted to change the sail. I would imagine that they needed to do something to win their market share back from people who buy the cheap copies ie it needs to last longer and perform better than the standard sail.
Does this go against the class ethos? Yes in suppose it does, but times change and they need to move less behind them. Does it go against the class ethos more than someone using a cheaper/longer lasting/maybe faster sail from someone else? No, at least not in my view.
Edited by Paramedic - 26 Dec 17 at 4:19pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 4:23pm |
No it isn't, and yes they would, as Paramedic says they were probably forced into it to try and reverse the, relative, decline of the class. |
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zippyRN
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 10:25pm |
also i do think they were struggling to find a cloth maker who would keep making the bog paper cloth with a shrinking market for full rig sails ...
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blueboy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Dec 17 at 4:16pm |
Not actually true. I spent some years helping fine-tune class rules for a SMOD and changes needed 3-way agreement, manufacture, class-association and the copyright holder of the class rules (which was neither of the first two). Though I am pleased to say the manufacturer was not Laser. |
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