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423zero
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Topic: Anyone know anything about National 18s? Posted: 25 Dec 17 at 2:30pm |
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Probably had more forum coverage in 2 days than last 2 years, iGRF probably owns molds, all publicity is good publicity, majority of posts positive
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Dec 17 at 2:46pm | |
http://www.national18.com
Looks an excellent class website to me, very open and informative and search as I might I couldn't find a trace of lipstick anywhere.
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Dec 17 at 2:59pm | |
With a decent heavy crew on the wire you could run something similar to SSL.
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johnr
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Dec 17 at 5:36pm | |
Ok I will be more specific. Entering a laser as a laser and not using a class legal sail would be cheating. If you want to get your own handicap for your non class legal laser then go right ahead however at any decent standard of event your entry would likely be refused. Buy a class legal sail or sail a different class that allows open sailmakers. Not exactly rocket science. |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 25 Dec 17 at 10:04pm | |
Why should it be? Would you refuse entry to a Rooster 8.watsit? For sure I'll refuse an entry to a not-a-Laser at a Laser event (well, actually I'll offer them one of the tired but class legal sails we keep in the shed), but in a handicap event it is just another handicap boat. If someone wants to race a not-a-Merlin with illegal sails or a not-a-Fivetonner with all the lead out or whatever that's fine, just so long as the RC is notified and is confident they can set a handicap that's as fair as possible to all the competitors. If the NOR restricted the handicap event to only certain specified classes, that would be a different matter, but I got an opinion from the RYA on this a few years ago: if a boat is modified out of class in any way, even a replica sail, it ceases to be a boat of that class and class rules no longer apply. Of course if you do any of those things without notifying the RC and I find out there will be a rule 2 hearing in short order... Edited by JimC - 25 Dec 17 at 10:06pm |
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Oinks
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 8:13am | |
Just a thought, and completely hypothetical, but what would prevent a determined individual exploiting the following situation... Mr Sad has a plan to win the sailjuice series. So he invents his own class...lets call it the Plunderer class. It's a development class. It has little in the way of restrictions on hull dimensions, rig dimensions and so on. This year he enters a design that is similar lets say to a Mirror dinghy and sailjuice award it a handicap that is similar. Next year he turns up with a new Plunderer that is similar to a Merlin Rocket and sails it off the previous handicap. Sailjuice adjust the handicap the following year, but he turns up with another new Plunderer that is something like a 505...and so on. A little extreme, but you never know!
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ian.r.mcdonald
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 9:00am | |
racing is competing with a boat of a similar specification to your own. otherwise its just sailing round with other like minded people , who like using calculators.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 9:28am | |
Obviously the thousands of people who race on handicap in dinghies, yachts, sports boats, cats, week in, week out disagree with the above opinion.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 9:29am | |
Time trials have a long history in competitive sport...http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/193807
RRS 2. I submit that if you attempt to deceive an RC into giving you an unfair handicap that is definitely not competing "in compliance with recognized principles of sportsmanship and fair play." In this context one should note that the National 18s have been especially diligent in seeking to ensure that RCs are able to give their new faster boats fair handicaps, and deserve a great deal of credit for their sportsmanship in this area. Its an example that should be followed more widely. That's one of the reasons why this attempted trouble making is so reprehensible. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 17 at 10:15am | |
JimC: time trials whether UCI or CTT are box rule development classes. The only handicapping is personal for age and it's a very small part of the sport. It shares pretty much no similarities to handicap boat racing.
All the sailing time trials in offshore (point to point records) are done from some base rule about the boat and not calculated after finishing. Handicap issues are to do with taking multiple different design rules then applying a calculation based of inappropriate historic data to approximate a race. No other sport does anything this strange. As for the deal of measuring, I think as long as some one is acting in good faith the I'd be happy to race them. This issue is so far down on the reasons why handicap racing won't be fair, that it's not going to improve anything. But if you go after people for minor rule infractions and bits of paperwork you will ruin the only thing handicap racing dies have going for it; it can be fun and encourages people out when there wouldn't otherwise be racing/sailing at all. Edited by mozzy - 26 Dec 17 at 10:41am |
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