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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 7:14pm
I would add to this criteria, How time qualified is the crew ie not beginners.
Are we talking about the Datchet flyer winner ?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

To answer the original question, yes a N18 must have a measurement certificate to be eligible to race under the RRS.........


For it to race as a National 18. You can race anything you like under RRS.


True but if it is shown on the regestration form as a N18 then it must have a valid cert?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 9:00pm
I assume this is a new boat, built by the builder in good faith that that will measure as a N18, but yet to be in a position where it can be officially measured? And that it hasn't failed the measurement process? And no one knows that the owner has said he or she will refuse to retire if the boat does, for some reason, fail to measure?

Wow, talk about trying to build a drama from nothing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 9:08pm
That's the problem with half facts and rumours, turns into a witch hunt.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 9:17pm
But the (perfectly valid) point is that until it has been measured there is no way of knowing for sure that it will measure and most CAs that require a measurement cert will argue that until you have a boat measured it is not class legal.......

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 17 at 1:24am
Originally posted by 423zero

What about, say a bog standard Enterprise you have owned from new, never had it measured, never joined class association ?


 it;s not an Enterprise never has been and won;t be until it's had an initial  measurment  ...  can't get a sail number confirmed  without being Initially  measured .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 17 at 8:23am
"I assume this is a new boat, built by the builder in good faith that that will measure as a N18, but yet to be in a position where it can be officially measured? And that it hasn't failed the measurement process? And no one knows that the owner has said he or she will refuse to retire if the boat does, for some reason, fail to measure? 

Wow, talk about trying to build a drama from nothing."

I'm with you on this one Rupert, slow news times and desperate for a scandal. Yes I guess the 18s unlike SMODs require a cert and potentially embarrassing if you win before you've been measured. If I was lucky enough to have a new boat and won with it pre being measured I'd undoubtedly offer to retire post event.

HOWEVER.

There is a quote along the lines of "do not attribute to evil that which is just as easily explained as incompetence"

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 17 at 10:18am
I would like to apologise to crew of National 18 for posting on this thread and wish you a Merry Christmas.
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So when you buy your new Enterprise or any boat that needs measuring from builder with sail number it's been measured ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 17 at 10:41am
I suspect most non SMOD classes have their own specific conditions for measurement. All I know is my main class assumes hull and internals to measure as from the Class owned or approved moulds. Pretty free on fittings and foils so little more than weight, a few measurement bands on spars and sails to conform.
I think my second boat Contender go to town a lot more with templates for hull and foils, but they have had  potential for home builds so more opportunities for non conformity.

      
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I imagine that the boat was delivered from White Formula just before the event. Given that they are producing all the new 18s out of the same mould and the fact its a fairly new mould I wouldn't be at all concerned. Therefore the only issue would be if the rig fits the measurement rules, and for that if the event organisers are bothered then they should insist on a measurement check.

I expect there were however plenty of other measurement/rule infringements going on such as corrector weights, correct position of racks, correct racks on a 600.

At the end of the day they were deserving winners in a lovely boat.



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