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Post Options Post Options   Quote Alistair426 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 9:31am
Unless you've had it measured it is just a boat that broadly resembles an Enterprise class dinghy. Being a member of the CA has nothing to do with it. If, however, it's a SMOD and the CA accept that all boats produced by the approved manufacturer are 'within class' (RS, 'Hartley-owned' classes, Topper, etc) you don't need to get it measured.

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Or is it one rule for 'insiders' and a total other rule for us plebs?

Of course that is the way things are GRF .... naive to think otherwise , which you obviously don't.  But how else could ‘they’ prevent you from winning  everything ?  (Well in ‘your’ model of the world that is .....)   But do we look forward to the next 'conspiracy' you reveal ...  Russian trolls 'getting' at the various handicap committees has not been done yet.   But who is to say they have not .... 

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To answer the original question, yes a N18 must have a measurement certificate to be eligible to race under the RRS.........
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 17 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

To answer the original question, yes a N18 must have a measurement certificate to be eligible to race under the RRS.........


For it to race as a National 18. You can race anything you like under RRS.
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I think he has suckered us in, a National 18 won the shortened Datchett flyer, but can't find anything controversial about it.
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Originally posted by 423zero

I think he has suckered us in, a National 18 won the shortened Datchett flyer, but can't find anything controversial about it.
Can't reveal my sources, but there's a lot of red face shuffling allegedly going on at the administration body of the 'National' class in question and lots of old school raised eyebrows that it could be allowed to happen, to find out more you'll just have to dig further.

Just another example of the Great Lakes being 'beyond the rules the rest of us have to abide by' and hey it's only handicap racing so rules don't really matter do they?

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One option of having a boat that looks like a class but isn’t is one with the correctors taken out  Wink
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I have been following this story for a while but from a very different 'angle' - for a while I had thought that I had found something that really stood up as a wider story. In the more basic tense, the question is simple! Did the boat have a valid certificate when it entered the event, indeed, had it even been measured? This is about as basic as it can get - yes or no.

The trouble is, these questions tend to be like some of the goings on out in the big wide world, where one question leads on to another, then another and so on. Now in the grimy world of politics a journalist who sniffs along the trail of a story is a star but maybe there isn't the same questing for 'the truth' (or alternative facts if you prefer that term) in the world of sailing.

Follow up questions could well ask if this is even important (see below)  and could then lead on to the really grimy (a lovely word at Christmas) line of enquiry as to who knew what and when and how high up does this go .

Is this important? Well, just a couple of seasons ago, a winning team in an otherwise street legal boat, with a suit of sails that would be legal in the future but at the time of sailing were not, were the subject of some pretty  vocal  condemnation, as was a Fireball who sailed with different numbers (despite getting prior agreement to use them) - which could make this important - or not, depending on the answer to the basic question and then your own perspective on the issue.

There is more to this than has trickled out so far, much more.

I for one await the next instalment with some interest...... or isn't this even a story?

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If the organisers were informed that the boat hadn't yet been measured then there's no problem at all.

If its a boat that measures, but hasn't been formally measured yet I don't think anyone should care. Its a sailing competition, not a certificate management competition.

The problem comes if it doesn't measure, and even more so if the entrant knew it didn't measure when entered and didn't tell the organisers. The WS Q&A quoted earlier is very definite about that situation.
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If the boat isn't measured and has no certificate then how can the boat race as a N18? It like someone building a boat which has a trapeze & spinnaker and wins an event because they have called it a Solo. A measurement certificate gives everyone who races against it the confidence to know its the correct class and legally built.
I personally don't mind if the boat is now measured and keeps the win if it correctly measure as an N18 (with the same set up as Datchet) if it doesn't measure then I'm afraid I would say they should be disqualified.
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