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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

[QUOTE=sargesail]Short-handed: French flavour and one that has real interest world-wide.  Not only that it will be the longest duration single event of the Olympics and that will make it both accessible to a world-wide audience, and add interest.

As for kiting over-windsurfing: I admire the extreme athleticism of the windsurfers and their CV fitness levels, but I don't recognise the light to medium wind pump fest as sailing.  Kiting seems much cleaner in that respect.
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I think it's a good idea. 

If anything the regatta format we have currently doesn't fit well in to the 'Olympic template' which has led to medal races and random lay days.  Having TV presenters checking in on the offshore progress between other events would mesh well and there's no postponements to worry about. 

The big issue though is equipment and a world series leading up the Olympics. I get the impression there is a big drive for equipment to be internationally available which if that's a push for the present events, it will be even harder for an offshore class to claim. 

There is a well established World Sailing World Series and continental events which is used for sailor rankings and selection, alongside world championships. It pretty easy to substitute another dinghy or small keel boat, or even match or team racing in to these events... but not so much shorthanded offshore sailing. None of this exists for offshore racing. 


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Originally posted by sargesail

As for kiting over-windsurfing: I admire the extreme athleticism of the windsurfers and their CV fitness levels, but I don't recognise the light to medium wind pump fest as sailing.  Kiting seems much cleaner in that respect.
Which is all well and good if the participants really wanted inclusion (Kiting can be equally atheletic the propulsion style is just different) but the few course racing style competitors that exist in the kite world are ambivalent at best and at worse do not want to be railroaded by the Pryde Organisation into an agricultural One Design purely for the financial benefit of that organisation. The sport is still evolving quite rapidly so if they were to be involved they'd prefer a box design and open equipment supply, they also don't want the rider weight restrictions that One Design will bring. But it matters not what anyone thinks the decision appears already to have been taken at a business meeting a few months back, the Pryde Organisation has all the means to 'accommodate MNA reps' and they are also hedging their bets with an OD foiling windsurfer just in case.

Most kitsurfers don't believe they are 'sailors', kite flyers, kiteboard 'riders', kite pilots even, they certainly do not want the prescriptions of World Sailing and I can't say I blame them.
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the few course racing style competitors that exist in the kite world are ambivalent at best and at worse do not want to be railroaded by the Pryde Organisation into an agricultural One Design purely for the financial benefit of that organisation. 

Most kitsurfers don't believe they are 'sailors', kite flyers, kiteboard 'riders', kite pilots even, they certainly do not want the prescriptions of World Sailing and I can't say I blame them.

Whether being in the Olympics is good for a sport or not is another debate. 

Going that way leads you in to a path of prescriptive equipment selection and well defined 'rules'. This is good for building pathways and adding structure to a developed sport.

But I get the impression that for new sports you need the slightly anarchistic competition formats and equipment mix to truly work out what the sport is about before you start closing it down with rules.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Dec 17 at 11:27am
Being in the Olympics is only good for those involved in 'managing' a sport, the Gravy train, it's never imv been about us as competitors, these days it's purely about revenue and emerging 'action' sports are perceived as good TV, they're wrong, action sports followers are more about taking part than watching, but then it's not about them either is it?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Dec 17 at 12:44pm
On that we agree iGRF and that is from a senior railcard holding dinghy sailor. Watching holds only fleeting interest for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Dec 17 at 12:56pm
Steady now.. agreeing with me will get you struck off Santa's list..
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I'd say you were on pretty safe ground in suggesting that vested interest might have influenced WS/ISAF/IYRU decisions over the years. Are Neil Pryde still making 49er sails?
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No Idea, up until recently (this summer) Neil Pryde didn't market kites under their own brand name, using Cabrinha for presumably better image. I should have realised what was going on when a guy came on the phone asking for advice on kite distribution, I just thought he'd just embarked on Mission Impossible. It's taken me three years to introduce a new kite brand to this country and it's a well established European outfit who make really excellent kites. It's a very tight and over subscribed market so not something to enter lightly and certainly not as a micro niche like racing foils unless you know something no-one else does in regards to the future activities of World Sailing.


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If they are going to put Kite surfing in the Olympics they may as well have Jetski's too, both are anti social in use and controlled ? by yobs.
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