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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 6:18pm
Originally posted by zeon

The draycote dash is only up the road from me, but the thought of doing four races back to back on a cold winter day is not attractive. Am I the only one? 😀


I wouldn't do four races back to back on a good day, when did all this bollox start?


All no doubt decided for the benefit of the organising factions.


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...But are you implying you would really come along to one that is outside of the SJ† 'evil empire' series ?† ....†


So, are you implying I wouldn't or haven't?

I don't go to your gerrymandered SJ series because the boats I own are out handicapped, they not being important enough as 'classes' to feature in an industry dominated event like that, where they organise the system to attract numbers nor are they Bandits like the boats you sail.
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Originally posted by iGRF

I wouldn't do four races back to back on a good day, when did all this bollox start?
All no doubt decided for the benefit of the organising factions.


I recall an AGM on a nice warm summer evening, and the class members voting to get as much racing in as possible the next year and have lots of races.

And I also recall, the next year, the fleet sneaking in for lunch or a tea break at every possible opportunity.

For the organisers I would have thought back to back races were the last thing you'd want, since your support crews spend endless hours on the water, and you're minimising the opportunity to sell food and drink to the competitors.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 17 at 7:55pm
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Originally posted by NickM99

283 boats took part in at least one race and 53 met the qualification criteria of entering four events. Quite a healthy result.


And yet even that is 80% of the fleet not feeling that they are sufficiently interested in the series to do enough events to qualify.

I suppose a more rigorous analysis would exclude from the totals everyone who only does their home event and doesn't actually travel at all.

I do think its worth looking at numbers with things like this. Especially if you're involved in CA management.
Its worrying, looking back, that when I was involved in running a Class association I'm not sure we ever discussed what our priorities were formally. However the top ones must have been :
  • The Show
  • The Nationals
  • The Travellers

We were always painfully aware that we weren't doing enough for people who weren't that bothered by the formal events, but never really worked out what to do about it.

If you look at the numbers and also the polls I knocked up a while back it seems that most sailors are not especially bothered about class racing at their clubs, and are not even bothered about regular class racing in open series. The numbers strongly suggest that for most folk its an occasional treat. So, what are they bothered about, and how do those of us involved in the administration of the sport best support them? Because if we aren't supporting the majority of those involved, what are we doing it for?




Do think maybe the noise of numbers is hiding one very salient observation.... that being that a large proportion of those who are actively handicap sailing and contributing to your stats, arenít really racing in the traditional sense, they are simply sailing around in unison, a competitive cruise... the equivalent of the sportive rider or Sunday peloton; maybe the fitness class participant? as such, itís no wonder they arenít target demographic for travelling around and all the hassle that goes with it??

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So, are you implying I wouldn't or haven't?

1.   Prove us wrong then .... Surely better than bashing the keyboard.  I'll buy the beer.
2)  Yes .... 

And what on earth is wrong with the handicaps (PN or GL for that matter)  on 'your' classes ?

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Originally posted by JimC

 We were always painfully aware that we weren't doing enough for people who weren't that bothered by the formal events, but never really worked out what to do about it.

I dont get this statement.. If they arent bothered with organised class racing, preferring to simply tag along with the infrequent sunday club race, why waste your time fretting over them? Surely much better to concentrate your limited time on those who actively support the class rather than worry about those who clearly dont want your assistance.
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1) because we wanted to be the association for the whole class, not just a little clique.
2) because we wanted their subscriptions
3) because we were a small class with a limited pool of secondhand boats and wanted to encourage as much activity as possible.
4) because we wanted to think that we could encourage them to become more active in the class



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4 great reasons, Jim.

From my experience, with a small class it seems possible to have "bursts" of success, but then things settle back again.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 17 at 8:28am
Originally posted by Rupert

From my experience, with a small class it seems possible to have "bursts" of success, but then things settle back again.


Completely agree, but maybe CA management challenges is a different topic.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by iGRF

I wouldn't do four races back to back on a good day, when did all this bollox start?
All no doubt decided for the benefit of the organising factions.


I recall an AGM on a nice warm summer evening, and the class members voting to get as much racing in as possible the next year and have lots of races.

And I also recall, the next year, the fleet sneaking in for lunch or a tea break at every possible opportunity.

For the organisers I would have thought back to back races were the last thing you'd want, since your support crews spend endless hours on the water, and you're minimising the opportunity to sell food and drink to the competitors.


+1 for competitors sneaking ashore when they can, I've seen this on two race days, never mind 4 race days!

+1 for the hosting club issues

IMO this is very much like those who sit at the AGM (often held at the nationals) and say they will drive to the ends of the earth next year to compete on open meeting traveller circuit events, then when that meeting at the other end of the country roles around and they're looking at having to book a day off from work Friday and coming back late Sunday with an uncertain forecast .... find 'fixture congestion' has taken place in their heads and wallets and leaves the organising club with a dissapointing turn out for all the volunteers and effort put in.

Regional trophies are a nice to have for classes with regional distribution to match.

Handicap events make good for everyone else and while they are few and far between, provide a great and pretty simple to plan for alternative, IMO.
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