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Going back to the outside assistance posts for a moment; if boat A says to boat B 'you've rounded that mark the wrong way', it's unsolicited and B can't be lobbed. However, if B asks A 'which way do we round this mark?' and A answers then it's not unsolicited and B can be protested by C (or even A, which would be particularly mean!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Noah

Going back to the outside assistance posts for a moment; if boat A says to boat B 'you've rounded that mark the wrong way', it's unsolicited and B can't be lobbed. However, if B asks A 'which way do we round this mark?' and A answers then it's not unsolicited and B can be protested by C (or even A, which would be particularly mean!)

So maybe A needs to position herself so she can use the 'follow the boat in front' navigation method.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 6:53pm
Following Brass's objection to on the water policing a lot easier on this thread than "Rules observance" thread.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ohFFsake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by Brass

Originally posted by davidyacht

  With regard to hitting marks, perhaps refer to Elvstrom "You haven't won the race, if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors."
Would you be kind enough to cite the document in which this was published?
IIRC it is in his autobiography. I have a copy floating about, will try and look it out later...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Oct 17 at 10:39pm
Jim, I probably did not explain this in the best way that I could; firstly we always keep a running order (regardless of whether we think someone has retired or been disqualified) so have a good handle on who is at which end of the fleet ... we get feedback from rescue boats on who has encountered problems or has retired ... and also a visual reference to how boats are being sailed can all point toward a retiree and such boats get RTD.

It is difficult for us to invoke a signing off or tally system with competitors keeping their boats in multiple venues.

However we also have had instances of competitors rounding the wrong marks, or rounding the wrong way, possibly out of sight of other competitors, but in sight of patrol boats.  In these cases we wish to disqualify a competitor without the need to protest.  Such offenders are recorded DSQ.  Along with introducing the amended SI we also introduced a reporting system to correct errors in the results.

The scenario that we were trying to avoid is having to put together a protest committee for something that really is an open and shut case, but even then an easy route for redress exists.

I guess that there is subjectivity in the RTD assessment by the RO but it seems to work.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 7:35pm
That (combined with your user name) sounds like you are a keelboat racing club? Don't they all have VHF? If so why can't they sign off by radio? Also, from a health and safety, surely you need some means of knowing all are safe home?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

That (combined with your user name) sounds like you are a keelboat racing club? Don't they all have VHF? If so why can't they sign off by radio? Also, from a health and safety, surely you need some means of knowing all are safe home?
If it's a keelboat race and, as usual, the equipment safety rules require the boats to be self righting and adequately equipped, in accordance with, among other things rule 1.2, and bearing in mind rule 4, why should the club 'need some means of knowing all are safe home'?

Rule 1.2 Life-Saving Equipment and Personal Flotation Devices
A boat shall carry adequate life-saving equipment for all persons on board, including one item ready for immediate use, unless her class rules make some other provision. Each competitor is individually responsible for wearing a personal flotation device adequate for the conditions.

4 DECISION TO RACE
The responsibility for a boatís decision to participate in a race or to continue racing is hers alone.


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If I'm running a race, it is important to know all are finished or retired. A boat disappears at sea, chances are some sort of search will be called. Poor form if they just sailed off without informing someone.
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Donít race yachts and donít race on open sea.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Oct 17 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

Donít race yachts and donít race on open sea.
Is that a personal statement or supposed good advice?
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