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Poll Question: Who will win the 2017 endeavour
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 17 at 4:38pm
Define 'proper size'.  Those at either end of the spectrum are always going to lose out. 

Maybe they ask all the champions their weight and select a boat which suits that average? 

The event was held in Xenons and 400s before that and it's teh same people at the front now in 200s. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 17 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by mozzy




Define 'proper size'.



Easy, not less than 65kg, not more than 72 kgs = proper. Everything else is either skeletal or clinically obese.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oinks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 17 at 10:27pm
As RS seem to have a boat that fits all and sundry, and the handicaps are relatively sorted, how about choose the RS that suits you..Aero (any rig), 200, 400..what's not to like!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 17 at 10:47pm
Let's not turn this into another handicap thread. 

The organisers set this up on the premise that getting the champions in to a mutually agreeable class is the best way of determining who is champion of champions. It may mean some people have to sail boats they're not experts in; but you know what, they all turn up because they know, that there is far more recognition in winning this, with equal equipment, than any handicap race under the sun.  


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oinks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 17 at 10:59pm
Nah...change is inevitable. It is the development forum after all Wink

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I think the Irish version runs as handicap. Glad ours does not. Still, this is a private venture, so if anyone has enough connections, inviting all the champions to a handicap event too is quite possible. I guess the Southampton boat show pursuit is currently the nearest to this.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 17 at 7:59am
Originally posted by Rupert

I think the Irish version runs as handicap. Glad ours does not. Still, this is a private venture, so if anyone has enough connections, inviting all the champions to a handicap event too is quite possible. I guess the Southampton boat show pursuit is currently the nearest to this.

Yes and doesn't have the qudos to get champions to attend.  Nor did the Battle of the Classes at the London Boat Show really.
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So I picked Nigel Wakefield (Firefly) sailing with Mary Henderson as my outsiders based on their performance in a couple of warm up 200 events.

There must be some of you guys who fancy someone else an outside bet? 
Who on the entry list dominated their nationals? 
Who's won championships in several classes?
Who does at lot of tidal / river sailing?
Who's good in the breeze (forecast link)? 
Who's up and coming?

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1D-OneNick CraigHolly Scott
2ScorpionAndy MckeeSteve Graham
3SupernovaAlex HorlockArthur Henderson
4RS FevaBen Hutton-PenmanLucy Hewitson
5National 12Graham CammZoe Ballantine
6EnterpriseJeremy StephensBecca Stephens
7RS400Jon Gorringe Oli WellsEmma Clarke
8CometChris HattonDavid Harris
9470Christian BirrellLuke Patience  Rob Henderson
102016 ChampionBen SaxtonToby Lewis
11TopperSam CooperSimon Hall
12420Niamh HarperRoss Thompson
13RS200Ben PalmerAmi Seabright
14AlbacoreTom LonsdaleOli Meadowcroft
15MiracleDave ButlerRoss Fleming
16National 18Stuart UrquhartBrendan Lynch
17OptimistJamie CookFinley Dickinson
18FireballMatt BurgeTom Pygall
19FireflyNigel WakefieldMary Henderson
202000Stephen CockerillSarah Cockerill
21CadetBettine HarrisJamie Harris
22MirrorDave WadeImogen Wade
23Int.14Roger GilbertJane Gilbert
24Merlin RocketAlan RobertsAlex Warren
25470 Women’sAnna CarpenterMartin Wrigley
26Laser RadialBen WhaleySam Whaley
2729erNick RobinsBilly Vennis-Ozanne
28RS800Chris RashleyHannah Bristow
29KISimon HeusenAllan Tyler
30RS500Frederico MaccariFilippo Maccari



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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 17 at 9:52am
Who's heaviest? It's supposed to be breezy this weekend, we've got a kite demo booked.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Who's heaviest? It's supposed to be breezy this weekend, we've got a kite demo booked.

Better be outside your 65 to 72 kg weight guide then Graeme!! By the way, I am 95 kg, run half marathons in 1 hr 40 min and have a BMI that is similar to most serious athletes....so being over 75kg does not make you obese, only on the very crude scales that the NHS have used since the 1940s. 

At 95kg it would be hard to find a partner to sail a RS200 even if I was good enough to get invited (which I am not) - but that is why we need handicap racing Mozzy because not everyone who is fit and willing can fit into your view of a suitable class.


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