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ttc546
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Topic: Campaigning with electric cars. Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 8:12am |
Tesla look to have it sorted. Might not fit in your average car though ....
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 5:05pm |
I'd check out Kryton on his YouTube channel... for up to date info on this stuff. As for long distances, fast charging stations, they are here already - Tesla Supercharger's... they'll only get better. As for Hydrogen - it only makes really good sense for really big things like Super Container Ships - which coincidentally are the really big polluters. (Think about that when you order your tech from amazon) The thing that might be game changing in the short term is Petrolithium, as theres a shortage of Lithium. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 5:46pm |
TBF the only reason big freight ships are 'the big polluters' is 'cos they are orders of magnitude bigger than anything else, cars, trucks or planes. The most efficient (i.e. least polluting) means of transport is rail, ships come next (producing roughly twice the pollution/mile/tonne carried) then road (12 x rail) then air (couldn't find an accurate figure only that it's much word than boats apparently).
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 7:08pm |
Err... whilst you can make that argument from data, The old adage of: lies, damned lies, and statistics, rings quite true with that satement. In todays economic system where the production of a 'thing' - means parts can be made in several locations around the globe, brought together in the assembly location and then again distributed around the world to sell in different markets means it is very cost effective, due to containerisation and the effective slave labour in unregulated countries. But it is at the cost of enormous pollution. If you made the 'thing' in the country of sale it would be far less polluting but far more expensive, at least in the northern hemisphere. Its the same concept as 'Air Miles' when you are shopping for veg in the supermarket. Combine that with the 'thing' being made of polluting materials, which then gets packed up into containers as waste and sent to another unregulated location to be dismantled on container ships. Leaves you with a massive pollution problem associated with container ships and the plastic crap they punt around the world. Turn these container ships Green with hydrogen cell engines and you have significantly reduce the Co2 pumped into the atmosphere. It might be cost effective economically but not ecologically. Simple, to be frank.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 8:52pm |
Didn't you ship a boat all the way from NZ when we have many in the U.K., even if you did want a Farr 3.7 why not build one locally as you suggest than contributing to all that pollution getting one containered from NZ? Simple to be frank.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 9:09pm |
No argument with any of that Jack but it ain't what you said. Anyway there's no doubt the way to reduce transport costs is to not transport stuff (and I'm very much in favour of that). Douglas Adams got it in one when he said "Bypasses are devices that allow some people to dash from point A to point B very fast while other people dash from point B to point A very fast. People living at point C, being a point directly in between, are often given to wonder what's so great about point A that so many people from point B are so keen to get there, and what's so great about point B that so many people from point A are so keen to get there. They often wish that people would just once and for all work out where the hell they wanted to be."
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 9:21pm |
Like dinghies from Australia?
Growing food where it doesn't need artificial heat can cause less pollution than transporting it. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 9:31pm |
'tis indeed a minefield but, surely if the food needs artificial heat we shouldn't be either growing or eating it until the weather is warm enough for the former?
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 9:39pm |
BTW, maybe the answer to pollution in cities is not electric cars (which help local pollution but not global pollution as they just move it elsewhere) but efficient, clean, cheap or preferably, free public transport. Okay it doesn't help us dinghy types much but other European counties manage it so it ain't rocket science.....
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Oct 17 at 9:43pm |
Strawberries, once a year, forget that
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