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H2
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Topic: National Class Scheme for Grown Ups Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 3:29pm |
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In my life my interactions with the RYA have been that they trained me and certified me fit to be an instructor and they selected me to be part of various youth / development squads in 420's and Lasers when I was a young man. They also decided who went to the worlds (I think) in various classes. They served a valuable purpose at those points but for the majority of my 44 years on the planet they have played no relevant role and that is just cool with me!
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 3:31pm | |
I didn't read David's post as being punitive towards other classes though (e.g. approved lists at clubs etc); but maybe partially funding regional training and/or race preparation weekends (racing, but less formal maybe for training purposes) for adult classes that are popular might be a good idea?
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 3:32pm | |
+1, but it doesn't mean continued improvement isn't something to aim toward....
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iGRF
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 3:46pm | |
It's been obvious what 'class' is needed ever since I've been about, some ten plus years now, it's a National Handicap Racing Association (I hate the word 'class') with it's sole remit to improve the lot for those of us who know nothing else.
That remit could be to make the practise more 'relevant', better controlled, more transparent, less abused and be the perfect entry level into the world of racing for newcomers. But it needs nothing whatsoever to do with the RYA, break all ties would be my suggestion, but the pragmatist voice that has bent my ear all these years would be to retain some loose affiliation however that could be effected. Edited by iGRF - 26 Sep 17 at 3:48pm |
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 4:05pm | |
One could regard my post as an extension of Jim's Survey;
I seem to remember Jim quoting the total number of classes in a previous post, but if I were coming into the sport I think that I would find the offer to be extremely confusing. I cant even think of an analogy of a sport which is played to the same set of rules, but with different size and laid out pitches, ball sizes, club dimensions. I am also aware that whilst there are some great boats out there, there is also a lot of dross, poorly built, poorly designed, poorly conceived boats, some of which pedaled by OEM builder's often as "me too" products. Or are built in materials that can only ruin the ownership experience. These can only confuse the more impressionable punter. My suggestion would cost the RYA no more than the cost of a leaflet, but would offer those progressing through the sport a structure toward meaningful racing, that would be transportable to wherever our lives may take us. My formative years were at a club that had a sign on the gate saying "Aldenham Sailing Club - Classes Sailed - National Cadet, National Firefly, National 12, Merlin Rocket, International OK" for many years people joined in one class while there were waiting lists particularly to join the Merlin Rocket fleet." From the replies I suspect I am talking a load of b*****ks, but it would be great to see some positivity out there. |
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 4:18pm | |
It has been said most of the time the military earnestly prepare for the last war .... and change their thinking within days of the next one starting.
In dinghy sailing terms - the 60's and 70's are possibly not the best 'model' for the current century..... Trying to repeat the 'golden' past (that did not last that very long anyway) is pointless - times they really have achanged! Edited by Cirrus - 26 Sep 17 at 4:18pm |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 4:21pm | |
Well, if you didn't have a negative, sniping signature putting down other folks sailing... Edited by JimC - 26 Sep 17 at 4:22pm |
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 4:43pm | |
For you Jim
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Dougaldog
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 5:05pm | |
Davidyacht....am not going to go hohoho but I would say that you're right to make the comments about the 'National' debate that you do. This is just another facet of a much wider, yet fundamental rethink that the sport needs to be indulging in. Nor is this situation unique to sailing, for as Mike@Cirrus rightly says, the world isn't just changing but it HAS changed. If you were lucky enough to be racing in the 1960s and 1970s, then what was great for us back then may simply not be what is needed now. Yet in sailing, as in so many other sports, it is still those of that generation who are calling the shots. Little wonder then that there are so many vested interests all allied into the maintenance of the status quo, which sadly suggests that nothing will happen and the decline not just continue, but accelerate. But I'm going to thank you and all those making worthwhile comments on here - I'm taking it all in and you'll be reading about it soon in a couple of massive missives that are heading your way......including (just possibly) an in depth look at PYs that will come out at Xmas, aimed at giving iGRF something to digest whilst he's chomping away on his sprouts and turkey (and by turkey I don't mean Solution....) And as for your tagline, I can't help but think of Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men - "the truth...you can't handle the truth" D
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 17 at 5:05pm | |
There are several variations of 'stick and ball' sports (cricket, baseball, golf, hockey etc), racket sports, track and field and football derived games. We think of 'sailing' as a single sport but many sports have different disciplines using different equipment, a better analogy might be Motorsport |
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