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Originally posted by Papa Smurf

I'm looking to change class next year. The Solution is high on my list of possibilities, purely because it's a great boat to sail.

The downside is there aren't many about to sail against. All those that sail the more traditional, popular class are warning me off the boat.

If the Solution as a class has a future, then I would probably ignore them and go for the Solution because I enjoy sailing it. If the class is dying then that would be a mistake.



I can't promise you big fleets locally, but I can promise a nice sailing experience and I would add this, if ever it looked like the current 'owners' of the Solution decided to call it a day, then I for one would seize on it as an opportunity to build not one but two classes and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in viewing it as an opportunity for a brand relaunch, so no, it's not going to die any time soon, providing of course the market within which it exists doesn't die first.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 17 at 9:57am
GRF .. sounds like you should at least be on the Solution CA committee - no point yelling 'how it should be' otherwise.   They sure would value a leading marketing practitioner of renowned judgement plus those key diplomacy skills you possess.  Hearts and minds etc ....  Wink

(The first sentence is possibly serious ... as for rest ......)
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Originally posted by getafix

If you don't own, sail and travel in this market space then buy any of the fine boats listed in this thread already; RS100, Supernova, Blaze, D-Zero, Phantom et al.  If do want to travel to well attended events and have a big class assoc etc then you will need to choose from Aero, Laser or Solo.  By well attended I mean 50+, I know the 100, Phantom and Blaze all get to around 50 but rarely north of 50 or pushing 100+.

There is of course the dreaded re-sale value question....  I know it's not pretty, but taking a punt on a boat that happened to be nice on the 2 hour test sail in benign, sunny conditions* is a far easier decision if you know you're not going to get rogered if you choose to move it on anytime soon.

I think we all accept it takes a while to dial-in a boat and work out its quirks and sweet spots; unfortunately that can sometimes mean coming to the realisation it's not right for you, or actually something else is probably better for your location, body type, sailing style etc...

There's no point naming it, but there is one new class I was very tempted to have a punt on, but it's just too much risk given the relatively low sales volumes it has achieved.  

(* I mean no one would seriously commit to a boat on marketing blurb and internet opinion alone  LOL)
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Cirrus re Committee, committees and I just don't get on and any atm my new kite brand is busy doubling it's turnover for the third year running so I am just a tad engaged elsewhere.

TT & resale value, just try and find a Solution for sale, never mind one under two grand. They hold their value really well.


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Cirrus re Committee, committees and I just don't get on and any atm my new kite brand is busy doubling it's turnover for the third year running so I am just a tad engaged elsewhere.

Well we should be grateful that you have still managed to find a few minutes to devote to 'advising' the dinghy world ....  if only you were selling Solutions as well etc etc .... LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 17 at 2:46pm
fair point about second hand values... one of those classes which lingers in its 2.5 - 4k bubble depending on how shagged out its got.

Not great if you were to drop on a new one... what 7 to 7.5k including trailer or so now?    

The lack of new boats starves the after-market, adding to the issues already identified.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Papa Smurf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 17 at 6:42pm
I can't see another boat that would suit me better at the moment.

I was tempted by an RS300 at a good price, and I have a weakness for Phantoms, but looking at how and where I sail, the Solution is the best option.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 17 at 9:35am
Originally posted by iGRF



Not rocket science why it's not going anywhere.

It probably costs a builder 500 to run a demo day, maybe more. 

The margin in a boat is probably 1000. 

Not rocket science why builders can't do this ...


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As Old Timer says, it's an expensive business for a builder to promote a class. It's also expensive and time consuming for a class association to do the same. But if the two work together, you stand a chance. However, the class needs to have built itself up so that the association has enthusiastic volunteers to help share the load and sufficient income from subscriptions, etc to make it possible to do some marketing, demos, and going to the Dinghy Show. 
It seems that several classes are relying heavily on their builders to do the marketing. At the Dinghy Show many classes built by Hartley or Ovington etc are displayed on the builders' stands. Presumably their class associations have some input but it gives the impression that the associations (i.e. the people who actually sail the boats and organise events and circuits etc) haven't got much to say. On the other hand, if you go to a class association stand, you can spend ages talking about the racing as well as the boat.
So the point I'm making is that for a class to be sustainable it doesn't just need to offer a nice sailing/racing experience but also needs an active class association. Even if you sail in handicap fleets at your own club, having a good class association means you can access information, go to open meetings, maybe also training sessions, etc. This is particularly important for people buying secondhand boats - and without a steady stream of happy secondhand boat buyers, the class is pretty much doomed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote KazRob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 12:29pm
Well said Vronny
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