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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

42.2

Prohibited Actions

Without limiting the application of rule 42.1, these actions are prohibited:

  1. (a)  pumping: repeated fanning of any sail either by pulling in and releasing the sail or by vertical or athwartship body movement;

  2. (b)  rocking: repeated rolling of the boat, induced by

    1. (1)  body movement,

    2. (2)  repeated adjustment of the sails or centreboard, or

    (3) steering;

  3. (c)  ooching: sudden forward body movement, stopped abruptly;

  4. (d)  sculling: repeated movement of the helm that is either forceful or that propels the boat forward or prevents her from moving astern;

  5. (e)  repeated tacks or gybes unrelated to changes in the wind or to tactical considerations. 


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42.3 Exceptions (a) A boat may be rolled to facilitate steering. (b) A boat’s crew may move their bodies to exaggerate the rolling that facilitates steering the boat through a tack or a gybe, provided that, just after the tack or gybe is completed, the boat’s speed is not greater than it would have been in the absence of the tack or gybe. (c) Except on a beat to windward, when surfing (rapidly accelerating down the front of a wave) or planing is possible, the boat’s crew may pull in any sail in order to initiate surfing or planing, but each sail may be pulled in only once for each wave or gust of wind. (d) When a boat is above a close-hauled course and either stationary or moving slowly, she may scull to turn to a closehauled course. (e) If a batten is inverted, the boat’s crew may pump the sail until the batten is no longer inverted. This action is not permitted if it clearly propels the boat. (f) A boat may reduce speed by repeatedly moving her helm. Part 4 OTHER REQUIREMENTS WHEN RACING 28 (g) Any means of propulsion may be used to help a person or another vessel in danger. (h) To get clear after grounding or colliding with a vessel or object, a boat may use force applied by her crew or the crew of the other vessel and any equipment other than a propulsion engine. However, the use of an engine may be permitted by rule 42.3(i). (i) Sailing instructions may, in stated circumstances, permit propulsion using an engine or any other method, provided the boat does not gain a significant advantage in the race.
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You beat me to it!
Also 42.2 doesn't prohibit 'torquing'
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Correct as torquing doesn't propel the boat
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(c) ooching: sudden forward body movement, stopped abruptly;

Fine line between that & torqueing though.
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'torquing' (WTF that is) must make the boat go faster or they wouldn't bother doing it

42.1 Basic Rule

Except when permitted in rule 42.3 or 45, a boat shall compete by using only the wind and water to increase, maintain or decrease her speed. Her crew may adjust the trim of sails and hull, and perform other acts of seamanship, but shall not otherwise move their bodies to propel the boat. 

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Torquing is used injunction with steering over waves it lifts and sinks the bow but does not propel the boat 

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IIRC, we used to be allowed one 'ooch' as well as one pump to promote planing (back in the '70s, then it became irrelevant to me as I was racing windsurfers). 

As far as I can see rule 42.3 doesn't allow 'torquing' when sailing upwind (very prevalent amongst L@ser sailors (along with rocking, pumping and ooching downwind). No longer does a (to paraphrase Eric T) "a chorus of 'heave' in time with the offenders rhythm" seem effective......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote By The Lee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

IIRC, we used to be allowed one 'ooch' as well as one pump to promote planing (back in the '70s, then it became irrelevant to me as I was racing windsurfers). 

As far as I can see rule 42.3 doesn't allow 'torquing' when sailing upwind (very prevalent amongst L@ser sailors (along with rocking, pumping and ooching downwind). No longer does a (to paraphrase Eric T) "a chorus of 'heave' in time with the offenders rhythm" seem effective......

That is because it isn't prohibited under 42.2 as it does not propel the boat forward.... most Laser events have on the water jury judging rule 42 sailors are rarely flagged upwind a torquing doesn't propel the boat. "rocking, pumping and ooching downwind" is permitted as long as it accompanies a change in course as permitted by 42.3. Must club sailors sit still like a sack of potatoes then wonder why the are painfully slow 
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Didn't know the forward and back movement over waves was called torquing. Nothing wrong with that, but the other stuff that goes on in Lasers, and elsewhere, and now seems acceptable, is on the whole blatantly using kenetics to make the boat go faster. The huge pump off the start line, supposedly allowed because of a change of course. Total b**locks. The change of course allows a body weight movement to facilitate it, that is fine. Changing course to allow a body weight movement is cheating, full stop.
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And yes, I'm good at cheating by breaking rule 42, but now avoid classes where you have to.
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