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Originally posted by By The Lee

Drop hiking is not only bad for you but is slow as you have to sail with the boat heeled to leeward to stop you bum dragging. if you want to see how to hike properly watch a video of someone like Slingsby in a Laser

if you drag your bum in a Blaze then you have freakishly long legs... Some boats it works in (i.e those with enough freeboard).
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What I've discovered so far is that nearly everybody considers Steve C's analysis to be gospel but most people sail L@sers which are so badly designed ergonomically that straight leg hiking is the only option. Knee damage is probably due to sailing twisted or with feet toed in causing imbalance between the muscles supporting the knee (as Steve C says) rather than having the knees bent or straight (my conclusion, though bent knees does put more strain on the ligaments in the knee). Straight legs are bad for the lower back and hips (which is where the bulk of my issues arise) bent legs reduce the strain on back, hips and abs (personal experience). Just looking at the various videos the extreme dynamics advocated by the top L@ser guys must be a major culprit when it comes to knee damage. Those sailors who advocate straight leg hiking mostly only do it for a few seconds at a time reverting to bent legs for most of the beat (Olympians and World championship contenders being notable exceptions). 

I wonder if my use of the term 'drop hiking' is misleading, suggesting the position Star crews adopt (with the associated hiking harness)? For clarity, I was referring to the method Paul Elvstrom developed in the Finn (highish freeboard and narrow side decks). https://www.stfyc.com/images/dynamic/getImage.gif?ID=100003698
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With the Blaze you are bound to end up with a mix of Finn and Laser style hiking, and you choose which ever one hurts you least. 

If I was not racing and had a Blaze I'd extend the racks so that I could sit in the normal hiking position and not strain my knees and so enjoy my sailing more. I suppose if you were doing handicap racing you could negotiate a slightly lower PY. The basic idea would be to modify the boat and not the sailors body.
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Originally posted by Riv

With the Blaze you are bound to end up with a mix of Finn and Laser style hiking, and you choose which ever one hurts you least. 

If I was not racing and had a Blaze I'd extend the racks so that I could sit in the normal hiking position and not strain my knees and so enjoy my sailing more. I suppose if you were doing handicap racing you could negotiate a slightly lower PY. The basic idea would be to modify the boat and not the sailors body.

The Blaze is pretty comfy to hike to be fair. Just a bit of padding needed at the front edge if you want to hang forwards off it.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Riv

With the Blaze you are bound to end up with a mix of Finn and Laser style hiking, and you choose which ever one hurts you least. 

If I was not racing and had a Blaze I'd extend the racks so that I could sit in the normal hiking position and not strain my knees and so enjoy my sailing more. I suppose if you were doing handicap racing you could negotiate a slightly lower PY. The basic idea would be to modify the boat and not the sailors body.

The Blaze is pretty comfy to hike to be fair. Just a bit of padding needed at the front edge if you want to hang forwards off it.

All Blazes race with the racks at max extension and the old adage of "he who hikes hardest goes fastest" is still true. Admittedly an extra few inches of effort makes less difference than it does on a Laser but the difference is still significant. And negotiating a diffident handicap for 'lazy b@5tards'!!!!! 

As jeffers says Blaze is a pretty comfortable boat to hike......
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I wouldn't so much say lazy, as becoming aware that my knees and back are valuable assets and are irreplaceable. Boats are not valuable in that sense and are easily replaceable. 30 years of Laser sailing and general abuse are catching up with me and I intend to sail and ride well into my 80s. A 2.4 is looking very desirableSmile

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I have recently started sailing 300's and find the drop posture works well, no back or knee pain and seems more effective than going straight. I have to change to straight half way up the beat to relieve whatever muscle it is that keeps the toes hooked up, when I go straight I can feel my back loading up so I keep it to a minimum.
I also drop a bit in the 200
I am a short legged 5'6"
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Originally posted by piglet


]I am a short legged 5'6"



So... I have many questions, where to start?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote piglet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 17 at 2:55pm
Oh Ye that is averse to 300's, 200's, hiking and most things relating to our sport.
I am wondering if you would benefit from an alternative pastime.
Philately?
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