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sargesail
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Topic: Overtaking Boat Relevancy ? Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 11:53pm |
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We should compare notes....it was a National Champion yacht that said it to me....
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 7:52am | ||
I wonder what the response would be if one hailed back "I didn't know we were racing under COLREGS"
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 9:06am | ||
I have had this as the windward boat myself.
Leaving the windward mark with a sym. kite we had a quick hoist and set and got away clean, an asy who rounded inside us lost initial height on their hoist and then came up under us shouting we were in his way. We were close but never came near enough for bad seamanship or physically impeded him but he was getting in a right stew as his kite kept collapsing (it was pretty windy) as he entered out dirty air. My attitude was you put yourself in stupid place you sort it out. He dropped behind and we carried on (didn't notice if he ever came past, don't think so). Was I wrong?
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 9:35am | ||
Assuming a bear away onto a reach? I think, if you were windward boat, you were in the wrong and should have kept clear regardless of where he chose to sail. Rule 11. He did not gain an overlap from clear astern so R17 does not apply and even if it did his proper course with an assy kite is a broad reach or higher so he is entitled to sail you up as high as he needs to to get the assy working.
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 9:51am | ||
Interesting Sam. He had plenty of clear water, are you really saying I should have given him clear air as well?
Off to work now, look fwd to reading this eve.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 10:26am | ||
No, of course not, there is no right to clear air. But, you were keep clear boat and he was entitled to sail pretty much where he wanted and you must keep clear and not impede him. The way it panned out it may well have been you in the bad place as he could have sailed you halfway across the channel if he so desired. The problem with sims and assys racing the same course is that the assy's 'proper course' may well be much higher than the sim's. We get the same thing on our lake, if I end up to windward of a 400 on a deep reach in the Blaze he will simply sail me off the lake while he gets his apparent wind working.......
BTW, I'm guessing your are sailing keelboats not dinghies?
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Noah
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 11:28am | ||
The way I read this, if L was originally inside (and therefore W), the overlap must have been broken on the exit from the mark. Therefore I assume the new overlap was established within 2 boat lengths to leeward and therefore L can't force W up? DD made a better mark rounding & hoist. Should he be penalised for that?
(NB. I don't know the rules in enough detail to quote numbers & don't have the time to go looking right now - sorry.)
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 1:23pm | ||
It was a windward mark so most likely a bear away (no mention of a tack or gybe) in which case W/L won't change. Even if the overlap was broken and re-established L can still sail his proper course which for an assy will often/usually be higher than a sim kite boat. DD made a rounding into a windward position and should expect to have to keep clear of the inside/leward boat. That's my reading of the situation FWIW, if Brass or any of the rules experts are around maybe they can clarify?
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Brass
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Do Different
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Sep 17 at 3:39pm | ||
Right oh, on mobile so forgive any typos.
Keelboats? Nah no way, dinghies. Both trapeze boats reaching to a distant gybe mark on a traditional triangle course. I accept that Asy. had luffing rights but the thing which was making him as mad as badger was that he couldn't get close enough through my dirty air to exercise them. Hence my assertion that even though he had ROW he was the one in the bad place and I was under no obligation to bail him out. |
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