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Rupert
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Topic: Overtaking Boat Relevancy ? Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 10:17pm |
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Maybe I didn't word it quite right, the overtaking boat rule would clash with other rules, but as overtaking boat, you still have an obligation which is spelt out under different rules. |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 10:27pm | |||
So in the fist instance, a gap of more than 2 boat lengths has opened up, so we are back to square one. For the second, I've not got a rule book handy, so quoting the numbers isn't helping, but I'm pretty sure if I am being overtaken to leeward and bear away into the boat below, I'm in the wrong, but I can head up as far as I like. |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 11:01pm | |||
No... that's a terrible way to think. An overlapped leeward boat has right of way whether its overtaking, being overtaken just sailing alongside or what. Its just that if the overlap is established from astern and within two boats lengths there is one restriction in what the ROW boat can do. If the overlap is established from leeward, then no matter what the relative speeds of the boats, then that restriction doesn't exist. So if a boat is overtaking from well to leeward on a converging course there are no restrictions on its course. You can always look up the rules on line, find them from http://www.sailing.org/documents/racing-rules.php Edited by JimC - 08 Jul 17 at 11:02pm |
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sargesail
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 17 at 11:32pm | |||
Doesn't sound like it's the case here....but 'overtaking boat keep clear' said to leeward ROW by keep clear windward is about the most frequent bit of intimidation / bullying / cheating I reckon I hear on the Race Course. Had it yacht racing a couple of weeks ago.....
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 2:45pm | |||
Strongly disagree. It's wrong, but it's most likely an indication of ignorance, misunderstanding or confusion about the rules. Typically, even of beginners do read rule 12, they do so superfically, and say to themselves, 'oh, it's just the same as IRPCAS overtaking boat keep clear'. And how can a grown man in a 30 foot yacht bully another grown man in another 30 foot yacht? And ignorance or misunderstanding of the rules isn't anywhere near cheating.
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GML
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 10:24pm | |||
A windward boat can bear away as much as she likes provided that she keeps clear of the leeward boat.
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RS400atC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 17 at 8:52pm | |||
Around the Solent it is commonly heard from people who have been racing for many years. Last time it really riled me it was from somebody who'd won a race at a Nationals that year. Definitely a low form of cheating in some cases. Shout protest and luff hard. |
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KazRob
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 12:59pm | |||
I find it amazing how many people still think 'overtaking boat keeps clear' is a racing rule. It must be well over 30 years or indeed 50 years since it was in the rules, yet it keeps popping up every now and again (along with mast abeam tbh)
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 1:22pm | |||
I can't find any mention of overtaking in an electronic copy I have of a 1944 pamphlet with the Vanderbilt rules in, so I suspect its a lot longer than that. The only mention of overtaking I've ever seen* is in a copy of the 1910 Royal Canoe club racing rules, but its hard to imagine there's anyone alive who raced under those rules. *I expect there are others of course, just what I've seen. |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 17 at 11:39pm | |||
It's used in my copy of the 1947 RYA/IYRU rules, but once the term is used, it takes two pages of conditions to make it work for racing.
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