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BAR sailed the same speed as NZ when they were in close proximity.
This indicates to me that boat speed was equal. NZ are sailing a better course and winning more starts.
That is one reason they won probably due to easier to use technology.
Leg muscles are stronger than arm muscles so they also expend less energy. Leaving more for sailing the boat.
But the other is that British culture shuns thinking outside the box.
Creative inventive thinkers are put down as stupid in the UK.
That attitude will always lead to failure in technical events.
The problem is with the whole UK who only respect bankers and University graduates who are not often the most technically creative. That is why the iPhone is American and Elon Musk is sucessful in America.
The UK probably has the most creative brains in the world but they are wasted un the UK.
To win the AC Ben needs to employ the crackpots with the mad ideas.
My first design when I started sailing was for a winged keel.
I did not patent it because I knew it would be a waste of time in the UK.

Not thinking outside the box is why Ben Ainslie lost.
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I think they just lost cos it was their first campaign and they had a lot more learning to do.

They made amazing progress throughout the regatta, and start the next cycle much higher up the curve.
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Much smaller budget, too. Not convinced there are fewer "thinkers" on the team. Almost too many, rather than NZ's quite conservative approach. Cycles were a risk which paid off, but other than that, they have simply sailed well.

Was really impressed by the last race they won. Went to yoga before the last loss, but gather it was lost on the start. BA won plenty of them, though, and you can't win them all at this level.
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"Creative inventive thinkers are put down as stupid in the UK."

You must be mad? There are currently 10 teams in formula 1 this season, 8? of them have their factories here in the UK. The 3 leading Chief Engineers are all English and were educated here in the UK

As for using cycles to grind hydraulic pressure I don't think i saw at any point any team suffer with insufficient pressure to run their systems. You could see the Kiwi's sailed their boat a lot better than BAR at the beginning but you could see in the last 2 races BAR was able to match them in the majority of their maneuvers inc. Sailing 100% in the air. Also IIRC Ken Read said that BAR won the most starts out of everyone during the event so far so starting wasn't the factor in our demise 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jun 17 at 8:14am
Only downside of the bikes I could see was their lack of cyclers 'movability'. Had the crash been with ETNZ rather than Japan, I suspect the outcome would've been horrific.
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Well, I guess a lot of post-mortem activity will now take place amongst BAR. I do hope the next cup will be in the same boats as I have found them exciting and also believe there is a ton more potential to master them better next round. Its clear the AC50's are quite different to theAC45's in the ACWS and its a shame that there really wasnt enough time for any team to really master these new beasts. The time given to practice as ruled by the ACEA was definitely inadequate and probably contributed to the rather scarey accidents/incidents that happened.

Artemis seem to be doing an Oracle-type comeback so still lots more drama to unfold before the Challenger finals and then the AC-proper
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Well, heat has been applied, and, like my bread, BAR are now toast...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jun 17 at 4:50pm
Notl: I remember reading that MITI (the Japanese Ministry of International Trade and Industry) issued a report a few years back which assessed the Brits as among the most creating and original thinkers in the world in both Art and Science.

Our problem is that all too often we Brits are incapable of bringing new inventions to market without foreign investment = ownership, not to mention being able to run a big manufacturing corporation effectively.

And now we don't seem to do politics very well either...
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Originally posted by NickM


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And now we don't seem to do politics very well either...

If in doubt...... just go sailing instead  Smile

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