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For me I think it a systemic organisational issue. There tactic is to continually develop. They have brought in F1 supremo Martin Whitmarsh presumably because of is understanding of the team dynamics required for hi-tec, constantly developing sport. Unfortunately Sailing is far more unpredictable than motor racing. Slapping on a new bit of aero on to a car and testing it will give far more predictable results on any given race track. Even if that bit of areo flexes more and the detaches the flow. Slap on a new bit of areo on a yacht and sail the same race track (sailing area) and you'll get a thousand different results. Hence why you two boat test. And it takes more time than they are allotting to achieve control over there developments than they have. In my opinion. So you might be faster with a foil with a bigger bucket curve than the one your graph tells you if super quick. Just because you can't sail it well enough because of the variables. For me BAR look like they are chasing the computer numbers to much. And have forgotten about having enough margin. Unlike ETNZ, who look like they have taken the very pragmatic approach of being able to always have enough 'fluid pressure' to pull off manoeuvres that they didn't expect. Which gives them a hefty margin to work with. We are on the edge, and repeatedly fall off it.
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Quote from Ben

“We had a systems failure and lost control of the foils, but for sure they would have found a way past anyway.”
Read more at http://www.yachtingworld.com/americas-cup/land-rover-bar-has-precarious-win-as-americas-cup-teams-sail-at-four-times-wind-speed-107849#c6Wr1kicVz3qB31d.99

BAR need to dominate all wind speeds if they want to win.
NZ were going wind speed X 4.
I would like to see BAR do that.
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

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Too deep for me jimc.
Presumably damage from collision with Japanese boat?
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Originally posted by Noah

That thought did occur to me, then I recalled he won the ACWS while driving so I think and hope he's in the right spot. They seem to have difficulty setting the boat up for differing wind strengths. Fortunately, tonight, FRA were worse, but NZL took BAR apart.

It was just in looking at the crew histories on the various teams many (maybe half?) have several with skiff/cat/extreme experience. But for sure he's been sailing the foiling AC's for years, so that's probably not a/the main problem. I guess I just see his real excellence being in determination/motivation/management/preparation, and especially, in tactics - so I was just pondering whether, relatively speaking, he's a bit 'wasted' on the helm. 

(Can't see anyone beating NZL to be Challenger - so far they are just a level of performance and consistency above all but maybe Oracle). 


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I suspect NZ are concentrating on power to weight ratio for crew.
Maybe lighter crew but powerful? Any info?
But light wind sailing takes extreme light wind skills from the helm.
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I realise that the rules are what they are, but I reckon it'd be a big benefit to have a powerful enough grinding crew (or more efficient hydraulics) so that the tactician doesn't have to spent most of his time staring into the bilges...?!!  (Though if you've just been roughed up by Dean Barker then that's not an entirely bad idea  Ouch)

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My take on that last race.
Looked like BAR made classic mistakes against USA in the last race.
They were gaining on USA but losing it again.
Despite getting most of the wind shifts right they overstood the lay lines.
Also best to win the start if you want to win.
Also they could have aimed more downwind like USA to help save a gybe perhaps?
Their tacks did not look as good as USA, have they still got damage?
USA got the tactics and strategy right.
Had BAR won the start they would probably have won the race despite everything else.
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